Comments on: Joker Dharma: chaos philosophy [Dark Knight video, Neem Karoli Baba, Trungpa, Tyler Durden, & Milarepa] http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/ daily blog, videos, e-newsletter & magazine on yoga + organics + green living + non-new agey spirituality + ecofashion + conscious consumerism=it's about the mindful life. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:59:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paolo Lunari http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/comment-page-1/#comment-22651 Paolo Lunari Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:47:58 +0000 http://www.elephantjournal.com/?p=4788#comment-22651 I don't think your comparison with Lord Bhairava is accurate. Shiva destroys but acording to dharmic law, not by irrational drives or chaotic systems presented by western pop culture. It's hard to make a comparison between west and east without overlooking something, great article nonetheless. I don't think your comparison with Lord Bhairava is accurate. Shiva destroys but acording to dharmic law, not by irrational drives or chaotic systems presented by western pop culture. It's hard to make a comparison between west and east without overlooking something, great article nonetheless.

]]> By: Henry Schliff http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/comment-page-1/#comment-10523 Henry Schliff Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:41:33 +0000 http://www.elephantjournal.com/?p=4788#comment-10523 Janet, bit of a late comeback here but wanted to say thanks for your well considered thoughts. As to the Trungpa stories, they are probably not in many books but were related to me from students of his. Anyway, glad to see the provoked some thought. If you are interested in some non-violent ideas check out: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/11/was-gandhi-right/ Janet, bit of a late comeback here but wanted to say thanks for your well considered thoughts. As to the Trungpa stories, they are probably not in many books but were related to me from students of his. Anyway, glad to see the provoked some thought. If you are interested in some non-violent ideas check out:

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/11/was-gandhi-right/

]]> By: admin http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/comment-page-1/#comment-9984 admin Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:32:16 +0000 http://www.elephantjournal.com/?p=4788#comment-9984 You're on pace to break the bank on this one, Mr. Schliff! You’re on pace to break the bank on this one, Mr. Schliff!

]]> By: admin http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/comment-page-1/#comment-9799 admin Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:06:29 +0000 http://www.elephantjournal.com/?p=4788#comment-9799 As a child, I collected tons of comics—great, fun, beautiful examples of heroism and morality, and lack thereof. Many spiritual parallels. As a child, I collected tons of comics—great, fun, beautiful examples of heroism and morality, and lack thereof. Many spiritual parallels.

]]> By: Janet http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/comment-page-1/#comment-9775 Janet Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:02:06 +0000 http://www.elephantjournal.com/?p=4788#comment-9775 Having now watched the movie, I have a better understanding of your article. Blessings. Having now watched the movie, I have a better understanding of your article. Blessings.

]]> By: Janet http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/comment-page-1/#comment-9688 Janet Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:05:00 +0000 http://www.elephantjournal.com/?p=4788#comment-9688 I appreciate your post for many reasons. First, I'll never let my kids see a movie without previewing it first again. This will take some talking out with them. I don't know much about Neem Karoli Baba, and I went looking for controversial information about Chogyam Trugpa Rinpoche quite some time ago when I became interested in Shambhala through Pema Chodron. It's difficult to find the wisdom in drinking yourself to death in your forties, (and I'll admit to ignorance about how true that is) crazy or otherwise. Dramatizations of events are not like the reality, I realize you know that and weren't arguing we need a real Joker - we've already got too many people willing to take life on a whim, too many lives wasted malingering in prisons - there's plently of what you call "incorruptible chaos" and plenty of the flipside of narcissism. I'm a psychiatric nurse; in a sense, I dwell in a land of narcissism and suffering everytime I walk in the door to work (and arguably when I walk back out) I also have a son with a genetic neurodegenerative condition that is slowly robbing him of his ability to care for himself while his mind remains untouched to observe his own decline. Do we need much more incorruptible chaos than that? There is no cure for what he has, I didn't know I was a carrier, nor did my ex-husband, and I can't do ANYTHING to change what is happening to him. I can only try to make his life as meaningful and joy-filled as I can while he is here with us, his family. Our struggle is minor compared to the reality many other people are living with. Chaos philosophy is the norm, trying to find solid ground under our feet is one human adaptation. I think the message gets farther when it comes from Pema, that chaos is what human life is and Buddhism is one path to accepting and being able to live with that. How many people walking out of "The Dark Knight" got that message I wonder? I don't mean to sound holier than thou, violence is just so endemic to human life that comparing what the Joker did to Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche - I guess I don't know enough about either to give an intelligent response. Again though, I prefer Pema Chodron's description of "A Beautiful Mind" which while it still went through the Hollywood treatment showed what so many of us are up against in this life. Honestly, chaos IS the norm if you really look around. We don't need the Joker to show us that, we only need read the newspaper. Still, as I said, I appreciate your article and know it will be of benefit. It already has. I appreciate your post for many reasons. First, I’ll never let my kids see a movie without previewing it first again. This will take some talking out with them. I don’t know much about Neem Karoli Baba, and I went looking for controversial information about Chogyam Trugpa Rinpoche quite some time ago when I became interested in Shambhala through Pema Chodron. It’s difficult to find the wisdom in drinking yourself to death in your forties, (and I’ll admit to ignorance about how true that is) crazy or otherwise. Dramatizations of events are not like the reality, I realize you know that and weren’t arguing we need a real Joker – we’ve already got too many people willing to take life on a whim, too many lives wasted malingering in prisons – there’s plently of what you call “incorruptible chaos” and plenty of the flipside of narcissism. I’m a psychiatric nurse; in a sense, I dwell in a land of narcissism and suffering everytime I walk in the door to work (and arguably when I walk back out) I also have a son with a genetic neurodegenerative condition that is slowly robbing him of his ability to care for himself while his mind remains untouched to observe his own decline. Do we need much more incorruptible chaos than that? There is no cure for what he has, I didn’t know I was a carrier, nor did my ex-husband, and I can’t do ANYTHING to change what is happening to him. I can only try to make his life as meaningful and joy-filled as I can while he is here with us, his family. Our struggle is minor compared to the reality many other people are living with. Chaos philosophy is the norm, trying to find solid ground under our feet is one human adaptation. I think the message gets farther when it comes from Pema, that chaos is what human life is and Buddhism is one path to accepting and being able to live with that. How many people walking out of “The Dark Knight” got that message I wonder? I don’t mean to sound holier than thou, violence is just so endemic to human life that comparing what the Joker did to Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche – I guess I don’t know enough about either to give an intelligent response. Again though, I prefer Pema Chodron’s description of “A Beautiful Mind” which while it still went through the Hollywood treatment showed what so many of us are up against in this life. Honestly, chaos IS the norm if you really look around. We don’t need the Joker to show us that, we only need read the newspaper. Still, as I said, I appreciate your article and know it will be of benefit. It already has.

]]> By: My Teacher the Joker? » Awake in This Life http://www.elephantjournal.com/2008/12/joker-dharma-chaos-philosophy-dark-knight-video-neem-karoli-baba-trungpa-tyler-durden-milarepa/comment-page-1/#comment-9627 My Teacher the Joker? » Awake in This Life Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:10:29 +0000 http://www.elephantjournal.com/?p=4788#comment-9627 [...] at the elephant journal, Henry Schliff offers an interesting post looking at pop culture’s treatment of crazy wisdom: [...] [...] at the elephant journal, Henry Schliff offers an interesting post looking at pop culture’s treatment of crazy wisdom: [...]

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