Complete Protein? Complete Nonsense.

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Update via The New York Times: “A study published last March found a 75 percent increase in premature deaths from all causes, and a 400 percent increase in deaths from cancer and Type 2 diabetes, among heavy consumers of animal protein under the age of 65—those who got 20 percent or more of their calories from animal protein.” Read the full article.


The Nutrition Myth that Just Won’t Die

Five of the many things I learned during my 15-month stint as a raw vegan:

1. You can live – thrive — on just vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds.

2. What we eat has a huge and immediate effect on our well-being.

3. We really don’t need much protein.

4. Complete protein is a myth.

5. Everyone who eats considers themselves a nutrition expert (see #3 and #4).

When I was “raw,” I positively glowed,  so points 1 and 2 were readily apparent to most anyone who saw me. Confounded, people would often harrumph, “Well where do you get your protein?”

Ah, the protein question. I’d smile and explain that there’s plenty of protein in a vegan diet (even one without grains or beans!), that humans don’t really need as much protein as the meat and dairy and “fitness” industries would have us believe, and that, in fact, too much protein (especially animal protein) has been overwhelmingly correlated with cancer (both in the lab and epidemiologically).

Enter points 4 and 5. People would pause, rummaging through their What To Say To A Vegan file, and triumphantly display the “complete protein” clause: “Yes, but plant protein is incomplete protein, and so you need to be really careful to combine foods properly so you’re not deficient!!!” Then they’d look at me with a strange mixture of smugness, concern, and confusion.

The Great Complete Protein Myth has been recanted over and over and over again, but people insist on continuing to believe it. Not only that, they propagate it further by repeating it without checking their sources. Look, I’m not here to tell you never to eat meat or dairy — that’s your business, and if it works for you (and you’re sourcing it in as ethical a way as possible), great. But please don’t eat animal products because you think you need to, because that’s false and often harmful; and please don’t tell vegans they’re going to be protein deficient or need to take special care to combine their proteins because that’s false and really annoying; and let’s please have some humility about our nutritional expertise and open our minds to the possibility that we’ve been fed (no pun intended) some inaccurate information.

So here’s the low-down:

All protein, whether from eggs or foie gras or cauliflower, is made of amino acids. Of the 22 standard amino acids, there are eight that the human body cannot synthesize from other compounds: we must get these directly from our diet, so they’re called essential. The infamous eight are: isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine.

While all animal foods contain all of those 8 amino acids, not all plant foods do (or, rather, some plant foods contain one in only trace amounts).

In her 1971 classic, Diet for a Small Planet, Frances Moore Lappé suggested that plant proteins were incomplete, and so vegetarians had to pay special attention to food combining to ensure they got complete protein (e.g. combining beans and rice). This suggestion has since been found unnecessary, and Lappé herself recanted her position in later editions of the book:

In 1971 I stressed protein complementarity because I assumed that the only way to get enough protein … was to create a protein as usable by the body as animal protein. In combating the myth that meat is the only way to get high-quality protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression that in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually, it is much easier than I thought.

With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein.

Plant-based diets contain plenty of protein.

A varied vegan diet contains plenty of all the amino acids.

Our bodies store amino acids, so even if you don’t get all eight essential amino acids in one meal, it’s ok!!

The way we obsess about protein in this country, you’d think protein deficiency would be an epidemic. It’s not. In fact, excessive protein consumption is a far bigger concern in developed countries.

Protein’s a crucial part of our diet. In fact, it’s recently been suggested that meat (especially cooked) helped us evolve bigger brains. It’s quite possible that including some animal products in your diet might be best for you. But if that’s the case, it’s because of something other than this complete protein issue.

The fact that you eat food does not make you a nutrition expert any more than driving a car makes you a mechanic.

So that’s all, kids. Eat your fruits and veggies, and go on with your lives. May all beings be loved and well fed.

For more info, check out these great sources:

Vegetarian Protein Information.

Debunking protein combining.


And no, you don’t need to eat soy, fer-cryin-out-loud.

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Angela Raines hails from “America’s most dangerous city,” St. Louis, MO. She recently moved to Boulder, CO (as one does) to write, do yoga, and sit. So far, this has worked out beyond her wildest dreams. She completed an editorial internship at Elephant Journal and still writes for them when Waylon reminds her. She landed a job at the company of her dreams, Integral Life, and is currently putting her third-person writing skills to work in her own online writing business, Conscious Copywriting. Her main teachers are Jun Po Roshi and Ken Wilber. She is an enthusiast of all things yogic, contemplative, and chocolate.

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anonymous Mar 24, 2015 3:48pm

I recommend anyone who truly wants to understand proper nutrition read Loren Cordain’s book about the paleo diet. This elephant article is so rife w/ misinformation I don’t know where to start. I have been eating paleo for years and doing crossfit style exercise and have never been healthier, not just anecdotally but by actual measurement of my before and after cholesterol, resting heart rate, etc. Grass fed beef, free range hormone free poultry, vegetables and nuts are indeed a healthy diet. The snobbery around being vegan never fails to astound me.

anonymous Apr 2, 2014 7:45am

there's nine essential amino acids, you forgot histidine

anonymous Feb 3, 2014 1:13pm

The China Study has been decisively rebutted:

True believers notwithstanding, those who are interested in digging into the reality of the situation will find it is far more complex than what is being posited per Campbell and his ilk, and agenda-driven propaganda like the China Study only muddies the issues, especially as it's assumed the role of Holy Writ among a certain crowd – most of whom have never even read it, nor could follow its statistical arguments if they did. It's scripture. Nuff said.

I know plenty of unhealthy vegans – and plenty of unhealthy paleos. They let the label substitute for thought. Bad idea.

I would encourage everyone to take responsibility for all of their food – and other lifestyle – choices. There will not be a 'right answer' for everyone. But that means research, and thinking. Critical thinking, not the kind that seeks simply to reassure oneself that one's preferred answdr is the 'right' one.

I know extremely healthy vegans, and I know extremely healthy paleos. They think through and own their food choices. And, come to think of it, most of their other choices in life – spiritual, physical, emotional, psychological.

Animal products are no more the enemy than grains, except for when they are. For example, when they come from feedlots, or are overly refined and incorporated with scads of other non-healthful components to create 'food systems' intended to be consumed in lieu of food.

Eschew processed foods, refined carbs, including sugar, eat *mostly* plants, balance your omega-6/3 ratio, exercise vigorously and sufficiently to maintain a healthy weight and physical condition, don't smoke or over indulge in booze, and you've won at least 80% of the battle. That's actually a pretty simple recipe. Stop looking for magic bullets.

For those for whom this is primarily an ethical issue, I'd suggest that foregoing animal products can actually be unethical, depending on the situation. A good place to start, if like me you prefer thinking things through yourself rather than engaging in short-cut or 'label' thinking (e.g. vegan, or organic, or free-range, or choose-your-label = "healthy and ethical"), here's a terrific place to start:

"A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise."
– Aldo Leopold

[Hint: vegetable farming, including even most organic vegetable farming, as presently pursued in this country, most assuredly does NOT pass Leopold's threshold. It is thus unethical to eat the results, which can be found in abundance at Whole Foods and similar stores.'

Consider this: Do you know where *your* veggies come from? How were they grown? In a monoculture or polyculture? Using standard irrigation techniques or drip systems? How far were they transported and by what method? How were the workers who planted/weeded/harvested compensated/treated?

[Hint: answering these questions becomes easy and satisfying if you establish your own garden.]

I can answer each of those and more about the bison I consciously choose to eat, and I can also attest that this choice aligns with Leopold's land ethic. It's in fact harder for me to find ethical veggies than ethical meats, at least during the winter.

Point being: there are a whole lot more relevant questions we need to start asking if we truly want to feel honestly good about the food we ingest. And I would agree with this author that one of the least relevant is 'where do you get your protein?'

anonymous Nov 8, 2013 5:53pm

Try to grow a baby on a raw vegan diet and then breastfeed it and then raise the child on the same diet. See what happens to your health and the child's health. Traditional vegetarians (India, Nepal …) rely heavily on high quality dairy products for good health (ghee, paneer, lassi etc….). Traditional vegans…….do not exist. It may be a reason for this….

anonymous Aug 4, 2013 12:26pm

I do have a nutrition education and background, and I will say that in my studies from back in the 70's, complete proteins made up the vegetarian diet. So, I opted for vegetarianism. I started unsuccessfully due to being new and somewhat ignorant. Then, through my educational background, I understood more about what food combinations worked and what didn't. It was merely my choice. I suffered from anemia, due to lack of B12, which is vital for our body. The more athletic I was, the more my body needed some protein to sustain the exercise levels. We are all so different. As I've written in the past, what works for one doesn't work for another. Period. Vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, raw foodist, whatever…..the main issue is to eat the foods that work for you. Hopefully, not crap, but that's a whole 'nother story! I'm no expert, but an education in nutrition does hold merit.

anonymous Aug 4, 2013 12:20pm

You complain about the 'protein myth' by citing a myth based totally on bad science:

"too much protein (especially animal protein) has been overwhelmingly correlated with cancer (both in the lab and epidemiologically)." (links to the China Study)

The China Study thoroughly, comprehensively debunked:

(also debunks the bogus science in Forks Over Knives)

Furthermore, eating a conscious diet that includes healthy and cruelty-free meat is actually significantly more ecologically responsible than eating only vegetables. Aldo Leopold's land ethic is on point:

"A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise."

Both industrial agriculture to produce vegetables AND industrial meat production destroy the integrity, stability and beauty of the biotic community, thus, both are wrong, per this ethic.

Eating bison from the Great Plains, for example (whose mere presence in that area is a key to ecosystem restoration), is vastly superior to eating vegetables, even if grown organically, in that same region, because the latter degrades those ecosystems.

anonymous Aug 4, 2013 12:08pm

Raw vegetables are unsuitable for certain people with digestive issues. A raw food diet goes against the priciples of Ayurveda and Traditional Chinese Medicine.

anonymous Apr 29, 2013 4:21pm

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anonymous Apr 26, 2013 6:41am

Thanks for illustrating point number 5. You have joined the league of "experts"!

anonymous Apr 26, 2013 6:27am

But as she said "The fact that you eat food does not make you a nutrition expert " applies to her also. She is not a doctor nor a nutritionis is someone who tells her expierence, that is only that a single expierence far away from knowledge. But eat whatever you want your body will pay for it.

anonymous Apr 25, 2013 11:48pm

Ugh. I was really intrigued by this until I got to: Look, I’m not here to tell you never to eat meat or dairy — that’s your business, and if it works for you (and you’re sourcing it in as ethical a way as possible), great.
And now, reading the bulk of comments posted….well, I'll be off.

anonymous Feb 24, 2013 12:59pm

You know, I'm beginning to think that veganism has nothing to do with being healthy. Being healthy is about how much fat your are carrying around, and how much fat you have is all about energy in vs energy out. A nutrition professor recently lost a lot of weight and lowered his cholesterol and blood pressure by eating nothing but Twinkies. He reduced his calorie intake below what he required in a day, so he lost weight. The lost weight is what resulted in the positive health benefits. Veganism probably results in reduced calorie intake, which is where all the benefit comes from. I suspect you can get the same benefits from simply eating less.

    anonymous Apr 26, 2013 12:40am

    Our bodies require a vast swathe of different nutrients to repair and maintain themselves as our cells are constantly renewing. Body fat percentage is not necessarily an indicator of health. While it would be quite easy to loose weight and in turn reduce cholesterol and blood pressure on a twinky diet, the dieter would not last long before displaying signs of malnutrition, metabolic damage and probably diabetes! Our health is directly correlated to WHAT we eat. The calories in/ calories out model is massively outdated and frankly a dangerous thing to focus on. A diverse diet featuring a variety of natural food sources is essential for health, whether you're vegan, vegetarian or omnivorous. Incidentally your basal metabolic rate (BMR = the speed with which your body burns fuels in a state or rest, effected by hormone functions, organ function, muscle volume etc, etc) can be increased through solid nutrition alone, although it takes a long time, just as metabolic damage through hideous nutrition/ excessive dieting can take years to undo. Further to that, while someone not engaging in strength training doesn't need a lot of protein, for those wishing to achieve sustainable weight loss consuming adequate protein is important as it is crucial for muscle repair – our muscles are build from amino acids – and our muscles also play a role in BMR (they use energy all the time.) Without adequate protein our bodies would be forced to break down muscle mass (catabolism) to meet their own needs, reducing calorie burn while at rest.

anonymous Nov 12, 2012 9:16pm

Not sure if anyone already mentioned this but there are actually 9 essential amino acids; you're missing histidine. But I completely agree and have to deal with these questions all the time!

anonymous Mar 31, 2012 11:20pm

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anonymous Mar 31, 2012 11:04am

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anonymous Nov 27, 2011 2:07pm

Read "The Vegetarian Myth~ food, justice and sustainability" by Lierre Keith. Very well written & researched book by a former 20 year vegan. Fascinating, but might challenge the green meme!

anonymous Nov 22, 2011 3:15pm

[…] While they (we) clear the bike lanes here of unwanted car debris, can I live in my own inner Copenhagen, filled with real sunflowers and also real Van Goghs? Can I have both: my Kierkegaard library and my goat climbing up the shelves? Can I ride a bike most days and drive a car only on occasion or just for long distance trips? And while I’m at it, smile at the mean old ladies (or run them over)? Can I love shoes and yet take some time to walk barefooted every day? Can I have an urban garden on top of a 150 year-old building? Can I be a bohemian entrepreneur? An outdoor bookworm? A vegan who gets plenty of protein? […]

anonymous May 16, 2011 1:52pm

[…] about you, but I tend to do things in an all-or-nothing way: smoke a pack a day and go cold turkey; go from omnivore to raw vegan overnight; don’t just dabble in yoga, do it 3 hours a day or not at all. (I think you can blame my pitta for […]

anonymous May 13, 2011 10:17am

Thanks for you rpost Carrie, I completly Agree with you.

anonymous Apr 29, 2011 12:35pm

More power to ya if it makes you happy. Perhaps it is a myth that complete proteins are a necessary component of diet, but it is an equally persistent and discredited myth in some circles that eating meat is per se unhealthy. Portion control and a balanced diet are key. Whether you eat a reasonable portion of foie gras or refuse to touch the stuff is largely insignificant healthwise.

anonymous Apr 29, 2011 10:13am

Steven B: Good article. At first I thought it was going to be wacky anti-carnivore stuff, but it really makes sense.

Jennifer I: Great article. I learned something new! I think it will be hard for me to not think about what I "learned" previously about protein intake though.

anonymous Apr 25, 2011 1:49pm


Joan Hastings Protein is found in many foods…meat is dangerous to you health..hormones

Tanya McRawa sorry but as much as I LOVE your latest posts on Easter bunny and Kuchinich – one HUGE dislike to this one! complete BULL!!!!!

Nicole A Grant Bennett I agree with the article completely. Right on!

Ken Philo I'm 55 now, and haven't ate meat since I was 5. I do love cheese, though, and buy it from a store that sells Amish-made cheese; their cows are milked by hand, and treated more humanely than conventional dairy farms.

Cami Gravelle hemp seeds have all the protein one could ever need

Channing Grivas Thank you! I wish I could post this to my wall. What a great article. I'm a raw Vegan and it just makes my blood boil with the inevitable protein question. Be aware, wake up, share the knowledge. Love love~

Trisha Durham I think people who make such comments are unaware of Quinua

John Levis What about Vitamin B ?

Eva Seifert I have read some info about hemeprotein, in college and as research. It seems to be pretty important in the cognitive process and it is more so important in young children .

Alpine Lily ‎@Joan- the hormones in Soy also create multiple health issues also…..

Melly Fay
vit b's you get from a variety of sources in the vegan diet… it is B12 that is more of a concern, personally I like dairy but if you are vegan you can get b12 through microalgae, fermented beverages and foods such as rejuvilack or sour kr…aut, fermented beans and breads or foods which grown in friendly bacteria rich soil. All plants and animals manufacture their own b12 we get it from animal protein only because the animal has consumed somethings rich in bacteria and its body manufactured it. B12 stores in the body…it takes a long time to become defecient. you only need 2-3 mcg a day. One way people become deficient is through not enough friendly bacteria, with pesticides, sterilization, not enough fermenting, or from a poor diet and lifestyle breeding paracites and bacteria that interfere with our friendly bacteria wiping them out. In traditional cultures they make allot of fermented foods, soils were rich and they thrived being vegetarian even vegan. fermenting their batters and preparing special drinks or relying less on refridgerators. There is so much lost with our producing more mentality…if we just had a small patch of land where we can produce organic local, sun fed food and made things fresh and spent that time, that small amount would nourish us more than the abundant amount we consume imported shelfed for many days in nutrient depleted soil, and stored in refrigerators and packages…that is the source of our lack, and that is why it is harder to sustain and meat an easier option for most people, but that is also becoming unsustainable. If we can look at the root of our lack we will realize there is more than enough to nourish us if we take the time and care in the growing and preperation of our foods we have all that we could ever need and more.
Laurie C Ney raw broccoli =6.7g Protein (13%). Then there is spinach, quinoa, seaweed, etc….. Why would I need meat?

Wendy Dreyer Elliott Well said, Melly

# Tanya, cool, but say why on the post itself, Angela will respond! ~ W.

anonymous Apr 25, 2011 11:22am

OK, so that leaves the question of where should vegans get those 8 or 9 amino acids?

anonymous Apr 24, 2011 7:48pm

It’s not the protein that’s missing in vegan diet but B12 and long chain fats. Actually we have an epidemic of missing long chain fats with the obsession over low cholesterol. So supplementation is very important.

    anonymous Mar 24, 2015 3:15pm

    You Nailed it FoodGeek, The essential vitamins of B-12, A, and D as well as the long chain fats are critical to get into your diet if you don't eat any animal foods. Be One ~ Be Healthy !

anonymous Nov 6, 2010 9:41am

Wow, Angela, this is great, um, "food for thought." I will have to investigate further. I feel a bit like Woody Allen in Sleeper in which it is discovered that all our conventional wisdom about diet is completely backwards (in a sort of absurd way in the movie, but not in your article). Thanks for this.

anonymous Oct 16, 2010 6:12am

[…] Complete Protein? Complete Nonsense by Angela Raines poops all over that pesky protein myth that we all now know is wrong and yet still find ourselves regularly having to explain or justify our position to others who are worried that we’ll shrivel up and die if we don’t get enough. Through her own experience following a raw vegan diet, Angela also busts the myths that we need shitloads of protein daily or that we need to painstakingly combine proteins to make sure we get all of the necessary amino acids at each meal. […]

anonymous Oct 10, 2010 1:48am

Great post, Angela. Very enlightening. Now I have some ammo because I recently became vegetarian and am dealing with questions and opinions from friends and family.

anonymous Oct 8, 2010 11:24am

There enough wonderfully delicious and nutritious sources of complete proteins in the plant world. Hemp seeds and quinoa. They compliment just about anything you can make.

anonymous Oct 7, 2010 11:30pm


anonymous Oct 7, 2010 11:30pm

I second all of this!!

anonymous Oct 7, 2010 11:27pm

Carrie, were you vegetarian during your pregnancy?

anonymous Oct 7, 2010 11:18pm

Beej — I know, the "epic farts" comment has become one of my favorite parts of this whole post! I tend to side with Michael Pollan, mostly: eat what your grandparents would recognize as food — eat REAL food! I'm mostly wary of people selling me protein shakes and powders and such, as if we need more protein. Your diet sounds tremendous to me.

    anonymous Nov 8, 2013 12:23pm

    I have a massive problem with referring to the dead body parts of animals by euphemistic, almost civilised sounding names such as Venison. Why not refer to his or her murdered flesh as Deer? Likewise regarding any creature that is habitually exploited, hunted, confined, tortured, slaughtered or consumed by humans? It's just another way of downgrading the being that is being exploited. Humans have justified that way of life to themselves, and one of the tricks is to delicately rename the flesh of the victims. Perhaps it's a way that carnivores keep themselves sane? Pork, beef, mutton and venison sound so much more fragrent and culinary, so much more civilised than Pig, Cow, Sheep and Deer. Is there in any language an equivalant term for the flesh of a dead human being?

anonymous Oct 7, 2010 11:15pm

I know, right? It's an obsession! Thanks for your comment!

anonymous Oct 7, 2010 1:58pm

So why aren’t you a raw foodest anymore?

I learned as a vegan that 100% rabbit food is challenging to digest, I gained weight, created epic farts and craved weed all the time.

Pregnant women are advised to consume 60grams of protein a day, that would be challenging to do with rabbit food and without epic farts.

    anonymous Oct 7, 2010 11:26pm

    Also — thanks for breaching the subject of flatulence 🙂 I found that it took awhile for my body to adjust to raw food ( = farts). After awhile, though, my digestive system evened out. I only had problems when I combined foods really poorly (e.g. dried fruit & nuts), but even then I was usually OK. How long were you vegan?
    I can't speak to the pregnant question. I was, however, really inspired by this, a comparison of one woman's SAD (Standard American Diet) and raw pregnancies:

      anonymous Aug 4, 2013 12:19pm

      I had one meat and dairy pregnancy, one vegetarian pregnancy, and three vegan pregnancies. I was fat, sick and suffered from sciatica and UTIs with the first two. After getting all dairy and eggs out, my last three pregnancies were a breeze, even at 40.. No food combining, calorie counting or worrying about protein/calcium/iron. I did make sure I ate a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, seeds, and legumes. I was not "raw vegan" so it was easy to get adequate calories. The babes weighed between 8 and 9 lbs and the births (at home) were quick and easy.

      I'm a health care provider (family practice) and recommend it to all.

    anonymous May 13, 2011 10:13am

    I completely disagree with this statement. It is absolutely simple to consume that much protein. beans, nut butter, whole grains. done. that doesnt even include the cruciferous greens (like broccoli), leaves (spinach kale collards), and mushrooms. You can not gain unhealthy weight eating vegetables- only refined carbs, unhealthy fats, and animal products.

anonymous Oct 7, 2010 1:44pm

Um, epic farts aside (and that will keep me giggling for hours, I'm sure) it is really great to find common sense, experience and research in a presentation that completely avoids "Food Snobbery." Angela, your articles are always good for a grin and some meaningful self-examination. My wife and I have a mostly vegetable, grain and legume diet with animal protein from our own harvest of free-range wild venison, which has practically no fat or cholesterol and is totally free of the dubious chemical and genetic alterations of market meats. I know, not everyone has or even supports that option, but it works for us both ethically and nutritionally.

elephant journal Oct 8, 2010 1:31pm

Great point about the minimalism with plant foods, Dan! And thanks for the compliment. — Angela

anonymous Apr 25, 2011 11:45am

I did read the whole article after posting.

Not all "theys" are the same for sure. As per the China study, it is in part by Cornell–the same "they" that was instrumental in convincing the nutrition "experts" that dairy is an important part of the American diet. Furthermore, the China study was about the effects of animal products, not protein. They didn't separate high protein from the high fats, types of fats, and high cholesterol associated with high animal product diets. So the China Study is weak evidence that high protein is maladaptive for good health.

Anyone who wonders where raw foodists get their protein need to go and notice how much protein is in nuts and seeds!

anonymous May 13, 2011 10:16am

Thanks for your post- I hate it so much when people say "I was vegan/veg/raw etc and got sick so now I'm back to Carnivore." I rarely see moderation promoted. Why extremes? Just get a variety, and try to eat mostly vegetables, and mostly raw! They are the most potent. But if you are craving meat- that means you haven't covered all your bases properly, so go for it! Then remember to eat more beans and nuits etc.

My goal is always to train my cravings, but give in to them!