Bible forbids Homosexuality?

Via on Sep 22, 2008

This is one way to defeat bigotry: knowledge, harnessed to eloquence, without aggression.

Martin Sheen, President in the 2000-2007 George ‘W’ alternate universe, takes on a “Doctor” that closely resembles hard-right radio personal Dr. Laura.

“I don’t call homosexuality an abomination—the Bible does,” the Dr. Lauraish lady says, as does the real deal in real life.

Wanna hear President Bartlett’s Bible-based comeback? Warning: you might have to sell your daughter, forbid football, stone farmers and burn yo’momma.

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The “Bible does not define a marriage to be between a man and a woman.”

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Relephant:

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Waylon Lewis, founder of elephant magazine, now elephantjournal.com & host of Walk the Talk Show with Waylon Lewis, is a 1st generation American Buddhist “Dharma Brat." Voted #1 in U.S. on twitter for #green two years running, Changemaker & Eco Ambassador by Treehugger, Green Hero by Discovery’s Planet Green, Best (!) Shameless Self-Promoter at Westword's Web Awards, Prominent Buddhist by Shambhala Sun, & 100 Most Influential People in Health & Fitness 2011 by "Greatist", Waylon is a mediocre climber, lazy yogi, 365-day bicycle commuter & best friend to Redford (his rescue hound). His aim: to bring the good news re: "the mindful life" beyond the choir & to all those who didn't know they gave a care. elephantjournal.com | facebook.com/elephantjournal | twitter.com/elephantjournal | facebook.com/waylonhlewis | twitter.com/waylonlewis | Google+ For more: publisherelephantjournalcom

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61 Responses to “Bible forbids Homosexuality?”

  1. elephant journal admin says:

    Sarah Lowe at 9:18pm

    i love the west wing and all their teaching moments..

    • Ranch Mubay says:

      Unfortunately TV writers depend on the ignorance of their listeners. This was not written as the word of God, it was written as the human law of the land. The quote here is from the Old Testament and not followed by Christians…or Jews for that matter. Christians and Jews per the bible follow the 10 commandments and the golden rule. I think a Bible-basher could be told anything via a TV show like The West Wing and believe it. And what's even worse is you posted your name. Next time do a little research before believing every lie you read.

      • Abby says:

        The ten commandments and the golden rule? Ok. So why are Christians anti-gay? No where in the ten commandments does it say “thou shalt not marry the same sex.” They get their teachings from the bible. It is ridiculous to only follow it partially. And yet so much in the bible is preposterous. And you cannot do everything the bible says to do.

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  5. clark says:

    I had no idea they were at Matthews funeral, that makes me sad.

  6. Jay Winston Jay Winston says:

    There’s homophobia, as well as rampant sexism in every religious/spiritual tradition (and not just in the past, either, as the most popular yoga guru in India is one of the country’s leading opponents of decriminalizing homosexuality) (yes, homosexuality is illegal in magical mystical India). If you’re going to idealize ancient traditions and hold up mythical pasts as purer than the modern world, you’re either gonna end up a crazed fanatic like Phelps or wrestling with a who lotta contradictions (like the gay and lesbian yogis I encounter who seem to think traditional Indian village life is an ideal we should all aspire to).

    • Peter Cox says:

      I love when people defend their twisted religious beliefs by pointing out other's faults. Let's let love rule over ALL.

  7. steph davis says:

    love is the beauty. please let us learn

  8. Jasmine says:

    But even if you really thought that the Bible deemed homosexuality as an abomination, that misinformed belief should have nothing to do with the banning of gay marriage. That is a non religious civil rights issue, and it’s unconstitutional not to allow EVERYONE to marry.

    End of sermon. 😛

    • rbowler says:

      should…but it does

    • Wayne says:

      Screw that crap Jasmine. It is NOT a misinformed belief. It is stated very clearly in the bible that if a man lay with a man or a woman lay with a woman, this is surely an abomination!!! No question about it. Civil rights you say? What does this have to do with civil rights?…..Nothing, thats what!! Unconstitutional? Don't make me laugh! Where was a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman in the constitution? I must have missed that.

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    • elephantjournal says:

      There's a lot of traditional Dharma teachings on sex, etc…99.9% of modern Dharma teachers are tolerant and accepting of any sort of respectful sexual activity. As the Dalai Lama said, if science contradicts Dharma, then go with science.

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  14. streetwise says:

    Ok, I'm ALL for gay & lesbian rights and full equality. But that is NOT what Matthew 8:5-13 is even remotely talking about. A centurion comes to find Jesus because is SERVANT is sick and in pain. Jesus heals the servant from afar due to the centurions FAITH in Jesus. No mention of even a relationship in any sort! What in God's green earth were those people thinking? It does not help their cause to post what really are lies. There are plenty of other truthful quotes in the bible about not judging here on earth, but that it is left to God himself. Don't post lies. It doesn't help your case.

  15. Mat Hill says:

    You seem to be using a modern English word: “servant”…

    Try this analysis of the original:
    http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

    You may not agree with it, but it’s a fairly convincing linguistic point. The Word of your God is not English.

  16. jackie says:

    Pres. Bartlett… still my favorite.

  17. Roger Wolsey rogerwolsey says:

    The reason that that character on that episode was "Dr. Lauraish" is because the show did an homage to an actual letter that was sent to Dr. Laura. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.a

    It should be said that an informed and eloquent fundamentalist could have a retort (that Paul wrote that gentile believers are not bound by the Mosaic Law which was superseded in Acts 15:20, 15:29 and 21:25 where the Apostles derived four rules to replace the Mosaic Law which still included "sexual immorality" — which they of course, assert includes homosexuality. They'd also retort saying that the apostle Paul condemns homosexuality for Christians in Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11.

    That said, their case, while valid, isn't sound as there is good biblical scholarship which provides compelling evidence that a) homosexuality isn't specifically prohibited (esp. the form in a committed, monogamous relationship between consenting adults), b) Paul didn't write 1st Timothy. Here are two great pieces for folks to know about: http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?ti… and http://www.believeoutloud.com/boltoday/20111230/c

  18. Brent B. says:

    Some people get irritated with me for saying this repeatedly, but I feel like it's important to remember that the Bible was written by people who believed the world was flat! In other words, it is based on ignorance. The fact that people still believe the Bible is the "literal truth" scares the hell out of me. With that being said, I wish everyone ture inner peace and joy.

    • Fife says:

      That is a false statement. (Isaiah 40:22) There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth,
      And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.
      He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze,
      And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

    • betty says:

      The Bible clearly states that the earth was suspended upon nothing, not flat. What in the world are you talking about?

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  20. Anasthasia says:

    All I know is from my life experience, the vast majority of religious or Christian people I have known throughout my life seem rigid, judgmental, intolerant. They don't seem like anyone Jesus would hang with to me.

  21. Darian says:

    I was hoping for a better argument from "the President." In fact the Bible does NOT decree the death penalty for wearing linen and wool, or for sowing mixed seeds, so false attribution right there- very dramatic, very untrue.

    • Jakk says:

      Leviticus 19:19 'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.'

      Nor Wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together…..yes, yes it does.

  22. Aaliyah says:

    Anasthasia, Christianity is not supposed to be about 'religiousness' or condemnation/judgment. its supposed to be about Unconditional Love!!!
    Why is homosexuality so fiercely protected? Why are people so upset because of the beliefs of others?
    First off, those laws were written before Jesus' sacrifice. thus after Jesus' resurrection, the Jews and Gentiles alike were freed from the legalism of the Law accepting Grace from God (living by the spirit instead of the letter of the law).
    So, Waylon, there are non-bible believers who marry children, rape babies, impregnate 5 year olds, hang black people from trees go on national television insulting minorities to this day, and there are people starving at this very hour but you are picking on what others believe because homosexuality is not desirable and deemed an abomination to them. did you also find the two passages in the bible where homosexuals were violent, threatening to invade the homes of straight me in order to rape them! Where do you think the word sodomy comes from (hint: Sodom and Gomorrah) until you read the whole dossier (the bible) you dont have the intellectual right to publish half facts

    • Josh says:

      You do realize that in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's daughters get him extremely drunk and have sex with him… Genesis Chapter 19, verse 35: "So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up." Is that also okay?

    • Kirk says:

      I'm a Christian and I'm a libertarian. I don't believe ANYTHING the old testament says, and I don't judge others. At the same time I defend my faith when called for. Christianity does call for a debate on such things. We should leave them alone and let them be. They can join my church any day. If we call it a sin, then I'm just as much a sinner. Whi can judge what level of sin deserves what level and judgment from God? Jesus said let him who does not sin cast the first stone. He told the men that they sin even if they just lust a a woman.

  23. Aaliyah says:

    Why is the Bible picked on by Homosexuals? of the millions of books in the world surely the bible isnt the only book where homosexuality is deemed unfavorable!!
    I have a question. Should all white males commit suicide? because the link below states you all should http://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/2013/11/1

  24. James says:

    Typical Liberal Democrats. Trying to talk about something they know nothing about.

    • Jakk says:

      Typical Conservative Republican Fundy, always trying to act like their opinions and answer are the fact and the TRUE american way, when in fact, it's neither.

  25. abbyrosmarin says:

    Brilliant! Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. I'm exhausted by people claiming how horrible homosexuality is, pointing to The Bible as why. How quick we are to quote Leviticus, and yet we seem to ignore the biggest and the second most important message in the New Testament: "Love your man, because God loves you." How quick we are to ignore, "Do not fret about the speck in your brother's eye while ignoring the plank in your own." How quick we are to ignore that time Jesus stepped in on another taboo situation and go, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

    The *only* time Jesus ever flipped out and let people have it was when he saw people trying to make money from religion. (Lesson learned there: when people say "WWJD?" remember that flipping tables and calling people on their bullshit is a viable response.)

  26. cwg3 says:

    Everyone in the USA is not christian or believes in the words of the bible. The USA being a secular nation, this whole "because the bible says it's so" is incredibly wrong and unconstitutional. The freedom to practice ANY religion in this country does not mean one religion has the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of the populace. Why should people who have no belief in that religion or book be subjected to it's "words"? I don't live by it or hold my actions accountable to it. And woe be it to anyone who attempts to impose that primitive nonsense on me.

  27. RDBeliever says:

    I am always fascinated and somewhat saddened to see the so called ‘enlighened’ attempt to undermine other peoples faith (specifically Christianity) based on such flawed theology. You would think to attach another’s faith that one would do the homework. Taking quotes from Exedus and Liviticas or ‘The Law’ and putting those words in Christians mouths all the while some how ignoring that the Christian savior, Jesus came to free the people from the law. Ignoring that in fact when it came to commands Jesus said only to love God, treat others the way you want to be treated and love others (everyone) as you have been loved. Admittedly many acclaimed followers of Jesus are absolutely terriible at this, and have themselves disturted the truth. But none the less quoting old testiment law to many Christians is, well to put it kindly a sad and a seemingly uneducated joke. Non-the-less I will still say thank you for highentening my awareness of how others dissapointingly see those of faith. Maybe this will modivate some to show a more accurate representation of believers that puruse compassion and love over judgement.

    • Chad says:

      Understood, but these arguments are simply retorts to the ignorance of "Christians" that use reference to those old testament laws as proof that God hates homosexuals.

      So you can't have it both ways. You can't, as a Christian reference these old laws to condemn homosexuality but then ignore them when challenged on other, clearly barbaric laws.

      The ten commandments and the Golden Rule are have nothing against homosexuality.

      • @SneakyFoxeh says:

        I understand that Chad, but please don't group all of us Christians under the same group. The few that are against it are very loud and opinionated but the majority of us are for loving thy neighbor and not judging. Even the Pope said that we shouldn't judge LBGT, as it's not our place to do so.

        Christians shouldn't even mention the old laws as since Jesus died for our sins, the old testament laws are no longer valid.

        Honestly, I'm just tired of seeing all the Christian bashing going on everywhere, This is supposed to be a peaceful, loving, enlightened site and instead, it's going along with the popular trend of bashing all Christians.

        • amanda says:

          The problem with the theology is that people are quoting old testament law. OT law is wiped out when Jesus came to die for our sins. The New Testament still mentios homosexual behaviors. 1 Corinthians, Romans 1….God never condones homosexuality. So for this whole article to try and "make fun" of what Christians say is honestly flawed theology. If people try to make these arguments they shouls educate themselves on both testaments of the bible. I think it is important to love and not judge gay people. I love the argument "well, the pope said so it must be true." Is the pope GOD? No. And please do not say, the pope can be without flaw. Well, if that is true It makes no sense why pope's change other laws the other popes have made if they are without 'flaw'per say. The Pope also has said all animals go to heaven. Well, he should look at the hebrew word for animal and human because in the OT theology class I took for school the word for human and animal were two different words where one would mean for instance, eternal soul which was the human and one meant that it would not live eternally which is the animal. So please, don't quote the pope. He is a good guy, but he is not GOD and at the end of the day he won't be on judgement seat. Idk I just think this whole article is flawed.

  28. lilacandivy says:

    Except that homosexuality is mentioned in the New Testament as well, as a sin. There is a distinction between the Ceremonial Laws, like the clothing and food laws, etc, and the Moral Laws, such as the Ten Commandments. The Ceremonial Laws were erased and replaced by the New Covenant of Christ, but the Moral Laws still stand as they are against God's character and design.

  29. Joshua says:

    You are all missing the point. You have to take time to find the argument, and then counteract the argument (even if you are opposed to it) and then find another way to counter act THAT argument. You can't just blindly clap your hands a cheer for someone who says something good about the church, or wholeheartedly agree with someone who despises Jesus. You have to dig deeper. For example, there is nothing wrong with the orientation of a man, but it is the act the constitutes the sin. Therefore, 2 men can never get married in the church because not only is it about love, but it is about pro-creation, which is not possible for those who are sexually incompatible with each other. 2 gay men/women can receive a blessing in the church, but cannot be married.

    I'm not finished, but take what I've just said, and find a logical argument for it! and then find an argument for that, and keep going back and forth. THAT is how you educate yourselves. Never stop learning.

    • Rebecca says:

      Your argument is invalid, because many couples who cannot procreate for many reasons (including age and health) are married all the time. It is about swearing an oath of love and honor and partnership before God (if in a church) and man, and that has nothing to do with gay/straight.

  30. Simon says:

    Thank you for your article but I’m interested in a few things:

    1. Why are all your quotes, when parodying the Christian response to homosexuality and same-sex marriage, all from the Old Testament only?

    2. Why are the distorted, misrepresented, mistranslated, misunderstood depiction of marriages you provide in your pictorial caricatures all from the Old Testament and why are they all male/female?

    3. Could you please provide similar, oh so funny, pictorials representing what marriage looked like in the New Testament? I’m really interested because you seem so knowledgeable on everything Christian.

    Thank you.

  31. barryjohn says:

    the Bible is really interesting when people REALLY read it instead of fixating on selective quotes & enforcement- per Paul all Christian women are supposed to wear veils in church and not speak. Those are tame compared to other parts but very clear. Saturday is clearly the Sabbath per the Bible and per Jesus's practice. We could argue that Paul said that all of the Old T rules need not be followed except for a select few, but then again Paul was kinda all over the map and he never met Jesus nor had a New Testament yet. Per Genesis we could say the first marriage was between a man and a woman made from male genetic material ( the rib). That's man on man, genetically speaking. I also think Jesus spoke pretty clearly in the New T on whether to apply the Bible as a rule book vs observing overriding principles and how that might be applied to sexuality. The Sadduccees were the theological legalists of the day who asked him – what are most important rules or commandments- His cliff note version, stated in legalistic fashion, that these should override all other rules & commandments, were, Love God first and foremost & The Golden Rule, treat your neighbor like you would want to be treated. So would a person expect their neighbor to suppress or change their sexuality when they themselves don't?

  32. Shane says:

    The Bible books you have listed are from the old testament. Try the new testament.

  33. jessica says:

    For the Christians that persecute and shame others, they are likely in bondage to the law. Christ came to fulfil the law and free us all. Persecuting homosexuals is the manisfestation of one who has not understood the Mystery of the Cross.I am a Christian in my intentions but in action i am one of those that should be stoned. By rocks. I however know that the old testament law is no longer in affect. The ten commandments and the two commandments of Christ are our moral law. It breaks my heart that so many “Christians” have made an abomination out of themselves by being exactly like the religious bigots that crucified Christ.If the whole world is dead set on proving Christianity as the devil yet is favorable to Christ then please spread the good news of Christ instead of the abominations of the church. Spread love and be a light to those in the darkness of legalism and intolerance. Enough with the insults, the jesting, the slandering. Christianity is not the enemy but the lack of love we all sometimes display is. This is the third “mindful” article from a mindful organization that has sought to discredit Christians and the comments ( calling some of us c*nts) were nothing short of a blood thirsty mob. We all throw stones .

  34. tom says:

    Jesus hung with protitutues and the least holiest of ppl not because he tight it was OK but to lead by example. He did hate them or ridicule them but prayed for them. Likewise he didn’t support their lifestyle but loved them just the same.

    The bible must be read and studied in its entirety and used with the new and old testament alike. It is also important to know history and what was going on during the times those books were written. Remember we are all human including the authors.

    You can love someone and still know right from wrong. I wouldn’t support someone putting a sqaure tire on their car but if that suits them I wouldn’t stop them. I’d certainly try and persuade them to use a round one.

  35. Christina says:

    I once listened to Dr. Laura daily. I no longer work those hours, so I haven’t listened to her in a few years. Unless her position has changed dramatically, she had no problem with homosexuality. She is actually a huge proponent of gays, in general. She is somewhat conservative about gender roles, but this portrayal seems a little unfair to someone who is broadcasting acceptance.

  36. djangoboy says:

    "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)

    The Earth is a sphere. A circle is not a sphere. The original Hebrew word clearly refers to a two-dimensional structure.

    More Biblical cosmology:

    "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Psalm 104:5

    "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH." Isaiah 11:12 (Circles and spheres have corners? News to me)

    "Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved." 1 Chronicles 16:30 Copernicus pretty well did away with this idea.

    "And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water. So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so." Genesis 1:6-7 OK, so the sky is a solid structure holding water back?

  37. John says:

    The biblical comments are only applicable if everyone is following that belief system and as pointed out, we are taking the word to be literal, which obviously we can’t, don’t, shouldn’t and won’t. Seriously, let’s stop quoting the good book already.

    What do I think about gay marriage? I’m not gay, I don’t really have a say in the matter. I will say this, two men, or two women marrying does not take away from what I may choose to have if I ever get married. I’ve never quite understood why people are so incredibly upset. If you don’t like it, ok, but wanting to forbid two people who fall in love to make the commitment to one another? That seems like it is crossing the line. If forced to choose a side, I support love; if it’s between a man and man or a woman and woman or man and woman, ok.

  38. John Diavante says:

    Many of these are also ceremonial laws, not moral laws, which were made moot by the events of the new testament. Context is important.

  39. L says:

    The truth behind this idiotic “meme”-, try READING the bible before you quote it and slam it.

    HOMOSEXUALITY- Just not how God created us. Sorry guys, I’ve dated ONE guy for three days, the rest of the people I’ve dated have been women. It’s something I struggle with too but I would rather have what GOD has in store for me than what Man has for me.

    CHILD ABUSE- “Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.” ROD OF CORRECTION does not mean beat your child with a stick… it means spank them. Children need discipline, and I, who had no discipline and grew up thinking I could do whatever I wanted, WISH that I had more spankings. CORRECTION IS NOT CHILD ABUSE.

    EAT SHELLFISH AND PORK-The Hebrew code of cleanliness, which is what these verses describes, ACTUALLY kept the Hebrew people safe from disease due to incorrectly prepared food. In the new testament, God gives Paul a vision and gives him permission for God’s people to eat whatever they wanted.

    SLAVERY- “For if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as menservants do” Servanthood does not equal slavery. Are butlers slaves? Kings courts practiced the same principles, and it was not based on racial foundations. Freedom is found in Christ, not slavery. In fact, in the VERY SAME BOOK OF THE BIBLE, God FREES ACTUAL HEBREW SLAVES FROM EGYPTIAN OPPRESSION.

    SHAVES- “Ye shalt not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt though mar the corners of thy beards.” God wanted men to look like men. NO BIG DEAL.

    RAPE- (AND THIS IS THE MOST INFURIATING ONE) “If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, and not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father 50 shekels of silver and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all of his days” REFERRING TO PREMARITAL, CONSENSUAL SEX, NOT RAPE…..IN FACT!!!!! IF YOU LOOK 3, COUNT THEM 3, VERSES UP, YOU FIND THIS!!! DEUTERONOMY 22:25 ” But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, AND THE MAN FORCE HER, and lie with her, then the man only that lay with her SHALL DIE.” CAPITOL PUNISHMENT FOR RAPE! NOT CONDONING IT!

    PREJUDICE- “If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither biddeth him God speed.” Not prejudice, a warning to guard against false teachings! Don’t be a part of the world, be separated!

    MISOGYNY- “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” THIS IS REFERRING TO CONDUCT IN PRAYER AND IN CHURCH… Yes, God created Man as the head of the household. I don’t always like it either. I’m stubborn and bullheaded, HOWEVER we are to be “Equally yoked”, AND as the bible plainly states in 1 Corinthians 7:3, which is an entire chapter on the Godly Marriage (maybe read it before bashing the Bible) “Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence; and likewise also the husband unto the wife.” THE ENTIRE CHAPTER IS ABOUT BALANCED MARRIAGE.

    AND ALL THAT BEING SAID, I THINK MIXED FABRICS ARE THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES!!!!

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