“Today’s a very sad day.” ~ Senator John McCain.

Via on Dec 19, 2010

The above title is not my kind of pull-out quote re yesterday’s historic victory of equality among Americans. Let’s try this one, via

…Senator Ron Wyden, of Oregon, who thought he wouldn’t be able to come because he is being prepared for prostate-cancer surgery, did anyway, as the Times reported, and talked about love:

I don’t care who you love. . . If you love this country enough to risk your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.

Click over to The New Yorker’s blog, for more.

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3 Responses to ““Today’s a very sad day.” ~ Senator John McCain.”

  1. McCain's past "admirable" qualities as a politician have been severely overblown. His voting record has always been far right wing. He tacked toward the center after George W. was elected (having lost to him in the primary), just as he's tacked to the far right after Obama beat him, showing not so much that he's a "maverick" as that he's an incredible egotist driven by personal bitterness.

  2. elephantjournal says:

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    Marcus H oh go to hell you crazy f***! is am sick to death of his homophobia and racism. what the hell happened to him?

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    elephantjournal.com Let's keep it respectful, but love the enthusiasm. ~ W

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    Marcus H: sorry, but jeez. there is seriously something wrong with him. you may delete my above post if you like.

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    Adenia Linker McCain went on to say, "When you're life's on the line, you don't want any distraction." I guess women in uniform aren't distracting to heterosexual soldiers either…

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    Tom Frascone
    this whole thing is such a joke – quite the distraction.

    as someone who is supportive of 100% equal rights, across the board, for all americans, i have to say – the repeal of the don't ask don't tell policy is not all it's chalked up to be.

    d…esegregation of public schools was forced by the supreme court – before the population was socially ready, and look what that got us: schools today are more segregated than they were before desegregation. go ask jonathan kozol if you don't want to take my word for it. do i think desegregation should have never happened? of course not, it needed to, however society was not ready when it happened, and the entire experiment backfired.

    society needs to evolve first, and policy will fall into place. when we don't allow this to happen, we end up with horrific crimes and martyrs.

    as i see it, the overturning of don't ask don't tell serves 3 key purposes:

    1) glorification of military service (tell that to all the mentally and physically war-ravaged veterans).
    2) distraction from the larger issue of equality for everyone (in all issues, not just sexual and not just military service)
    3) distraction from the our corrupt government, corporate greed, wars of imperialism, and just about every other issue that actually has effect on the majority of americans.

    every time the country is in a shit hole, they whip out one of these hot-button issues to distract people – abortion, gay marriage, etc. – and every time it's successful. people forget that the government is taxing them more and providing less service, while corporate american outsources jobs and brainwashes you to over-consume on credit.

    people spend their time debating an issue that affects an extremely small slice of the population, and no one else:

    + approximately 2%-4% of americans identify as homosexual
    + 18-24 year-olds make up only 8%-9% of the population.
    + therefore you can assume that 2%-4% of the 8%-9% are both eligible to enlist and homosexual = 0.016% – 0.036%
    + however, since not everyone who is both 18-24yo & gay wants to join the military, you need to take that into consideration also.
    + among all 18-24 year olds in the us (approx 26mil), only about 169,000 enlist every year.
    + this means that for the eligible age group, less than 0.06% actually enlist.
    + so let's apply that the 2%-4% figure from above, which results in our total number of homosexual 18-24 year-olds who want to join the military: 3380-6760 gay/eligible men & women join the miltary every year.

    yes that's right. less that 7000 (upper figure) gays join the military every year…

    what about the number of gays that are currently in the military?

    + total armed forces, both active and reserve, for all branches = 4,460,747
    + applying the 2%-4% = 89,214 – 178,429 estimated gays in the military…

    …in a country of over 310,000,000 people…

    this issue affects less than 0.05% of the population…

    can we please talk about an issue that affects at least 1% of the population?

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    Adenia L:
    Desegregation a failed experiment? IMHO, you're focusing on limited deficiency rather than residual positive effects. Interracial marriage in the United States has been fully legal in all U.S. states since the 1967. Multiracial Americans nu…mbered 6.8 million in 2000, or 2.4% of the population. This would not have been possible were there no environments for integrated social interaction.

    40 languages are spoken at our neighborhood public high school (Chicago) and we break bread regularly with families outside both our ethnic and religious circles. Cultural competence is an evolution that requires a setting for practice and even with their failings, schools provide that forum.

    I appreciate how you highlight the issue at hand as a distraction from larger issues of equal rights, however, encourage you to also consider the positives that small steps make toward a greater collective good. Be well!

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    Tom Frascone
    ‎@Adenia: you're applying your personal experience to the whole – this is a common logical fallacy. like i said, talk to Kozol if you want to argue the segregation issue. i was simply using it as an example of how intended/desired results a…re unachievable when forced-policy precedes social-evolution.

    Kozol: Segregated Schools are the Shame of the Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VS9XHbEaFYSee More

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    Tom Frascone also my estimate of .05% was too high. studies show that gays only account for less than 2.3% of the military (i used 4% in my calculation).

    so 'dont ask dont tell' affects less than 0.02% of americans.

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    Paul Leard I'll change his diaper, and give him the "you can get up from this and fight you fight, if you want to". It's a better avenue if he then asks for my opinion, so he'll have more possibilty to be open, and maybe grow from it to.

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    Konnie H: I suppose every day is a sad day for John McCain.

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    Adenia L:
    Its not just personal – 578 other students at my children's middle school also interact daily with children and teachers of a different race. Spanish, Chinese, Italian, German and French are taught including overseas exchange programs that …engage the entire school community. 8th graders are studying Howard Zinn. Not all programs fail. I think even Kozol would agree some effort is better than none.

    Sunday remains the most segregated day of the week for these children.

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    Adenia L:
    Demographics at said school:
    Black Non-Hispanic 143 >28%
    Hispanic 110 >21%
    Asian / Pacific Islander 60 >11%
    American Indian / Alaskan Native 6 1%
    …White Non-Hispanic 190 <37%

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    Tom Frascone
    Adenia: Are you missing the point? You think you are not proving something by talking about 2 specific schools instead of just one?

    Do you understand the difference between micro & macro?

    You are talking about 2 specific schools. Do you under…stand that there are over 132,650 K-12 schools in the United States.

    You think you are proving a point by posting demographic breakdown of 2 of those 132,650 schools…

    :facepalm:

    I am addressing the macro-picture, as is Kozel. Please understand that your personal experience is not an accurate reflection of the nation as a whole.

    US Schools are More Segregated Today than in the 1950s http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articl

    "Schools in the United States are more segregated today than they have been in more than four decades. Millions of non-white students are locked into “dropout factory” high schools, where huge percentages do not graduate, and few are well prepared for college or a future in the US economy.

    According to a new Civil Rights report published at the University of California, Los Angeles, schools in the US are 44 percent non-white, and minorities are rapidly emerging as the majority of public school students in the US. Latinos and blacks, the two largest minority groups, attend schools more segregated today than during the civil rights movement forty years ago. In Latino and African American populations, two of every five students attend intensely segregated schools. For Latinos this increase in segregation reflects growing residential segregation. For blacks a significant part of the reversal reflects the ending of desegregation plans in public schools throughout the nation. In the 1954 case Brown v. Board of Education, the US Supreme Court concluded that the Southern standard of “separate but equal” was “inherently unequal,” and did “irreversible” harm to black students. It later extended that ruling to Latinos.

    The Civil Rights Study shows that most severe segregation in public schools is in the Western states, including California—not in the South, as many people believe."

    Sorry Adenia. You're wrong.

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    Adenia L: I'm acutely aware of Bronfenbrenner's Ecological Systems theory, institutional classism/racism, and the impact of feminization of poverty on education. That said, i'm still a cup is half full kind of girl! Peace!

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    Katherine C
    I look at it as a gradual opening of the mind. Each centimeter or millimeter that the door is opened, just a little more conscious light is let into the room. With enough small issues opening up, perhaps one day we won't be so afraid to j…ust go ahead and open the door for everyone.

    Baby steps, positive progress, there's always hope… :o)

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