The United States of America is (not) a Christian Nation.

Via on Jan 5, 2012

Seven points on why we’re not a Christian Nation—but a nation for all religions, and those with no particular faith.

1: Stephen Colbert, on America as a Christian Nation.

2: And:

3: Also:

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814.

4. If we really were a Christian Nation…

5. Are we a Christian Nation? No.

6. We repeat: no:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

7. Finally, our President:

“One of the great strengths of the United States,” the President said, “is … we have a very large Christian population — we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.”

The President was promptly criticized by some Republicans for those (entirely accurate) remarks.

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About Waylon Lewis

Waylon Lewis, founder of elephant magazine, now elephantjournal.com & host of Walk the Talk Show with Waylon Lewis, is a 1st generation American Buddhist “Dharma Brat." Voted #1 in U.S. on twitter for #green two years running, Changemaker & Eco Ambassador by Treehugger, Green Hero by Discovery’s Planet Green, Best (!) Shameless Self-Promoter at Westword's Web Awards, Prominent Buddhist by Shambhala Sun, & 100 Most Influential People in Health & Fitness 2011 by "Greatist", Waylon is a mediocre climber, lazy yogi, 365-day bicycle commuter & best friend to Redford (his rescue hound). His aim: to bring the good news re: "the mindful life" beyond the choir & to all those who didn't know they gave a care. elephantjournal.com | facebook.com/elephantjournal | twitter.com/elephantjournal | facebook.com/waylonhlewis | twitter.com/waylonlewis | Google+ For more: publisherelephantjournalcom

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9 Responses to “The United States of America is (not) a Christian Nation.”

  1. Mark Ledbetter says:

    Great info here.

    One point, though. Yes, you can say that the U.S. was founded as a non-Christian nation organized according under a godless Constitution.

    At the same time, in the wise interests of lowering the power pyramid, the Constitution said nothing about what individual states might decide. The Constitution of Massachusetts, as I recall, began with a powerful appeal to God and the strong implication that Mass. was a Christian state. And that constitution was written by the self-same John Adams whose quote started this article.

    The U.S. Constitution is both non-Christian and godless precisely because states and localities and individuals should be given as much power over their particular realms as possible. The power pyramid should be lowered and power diffused, not concentrated in a central authority. States were left with the power to declare themselves whatever religion they might choose but the national govt must remain without religion.

    Such decentralization is the key, I think, to defusing the culture wars which are now ripping American apart.

    • J.D. Longwell says:

      Mark, I'm not sure I understand your last point about decentralization diffusing cultural wars. At its most extreme, mighten such separation and the disparate constitutions and policies of individual states actually lead to more conflict and, perhaps even civil war (think if an ultra-conservative state like Texas or South Carolina decided to "opt out" of the Union)?

    • elephantjournal says:

      Thanks, Mark! We're a mix of course of unity and diversity…federal and state. Certain rights, like freedom of religion, are truly national no?

  2. Mark Ledbetter says:

    Addendum.

    A few states went 'godless' before the national govt did and most (not all) followed its example. This, to me, exhibits the wisdom of the founders. For the most part they led, and had the national govt lead, by example, not force. Seems to me that this non-authoritarian approach is a very Yogic/Buddhist/Christ-like mode of leadership.

    Disclaimer: all the historical info in these two posts has been extracted from my memory; and my memory is a leaky sieve. Quote me at your peril!

  3. Suri says:

    Exactly ! … One of the resons why middle eastern countries will never have a true democracy is because of their inability to trully separate religion from politics ….many of their laws are influenced in really nasty ways by their religion ….stoning adulterers , anyone?
    Overthrowing a dictator is not enough to establish a democracy … A mindless religious mentality can not foster the values and principles necessary for a democracy to happen.

  4. Mark Ledbetter says:

    ANSWER, PART ONE
    JDL: “I'm not sure I understand your last point about decentralization diffusing cultural wars.”
    Ele: “Certain rights, like freedom of religion, are truly national no?”

    ML: Thanks for asking.

    First a general overview. States Rights, intertwined as they are with slavery and Jim Crow, certainly have a bad name in America. But you could make an argument that powerful central government and suppression of States Rights should have an equally bad name. In the past, the central government protected slavery and made it viable through fugitive slave laws. In the 20th century, powerful central government made possible Pax Americana: the American war machine that encircles the globe, huge standing armies even in peacetime, and the Military-Industrial Complex that dominates modern America.

    The theory is that power should be as diffused as possible: most to the individual, then to localities, then to state, and finally, the minimum possible to the most dangerous of potential power centers, the national government.

  5. Mark Ledbetter says:

    ANSWER, PART TWO
    On culture wars…

    For historical reasons, there are two culture groups in America that have been battling for centuries. They battled in England, most dramatically in the English Civil War of the 1640s. They escaped each other to Massachusetts and Virginia, where they seeded northern and southern culture. They continued their battle, most dramatically with another civil war. Even now, though members of each side moved north, south, and west, the battle continues to rage with neither side really understanding the other.

    When the central government makes the decision, the culture war can only continue and intensify. Since this is not a war that can be won by either side, it can only continue to rip apart the great American experiment. One of the big issues of contention now is abortion. When the decision on this is national, there can be only one solution and only one winner. When YOUR side is on top, you naturally support national solutions. But what about when the other side is on top? You attack.

  6. Mark Ledbetter says:

    ANSWER, PART THREE
    With state and, better yet, local solutions, ecological evolution is possible with everybody winning at least somewhere and creative solutions developing in many places.

    Liberals like national solutions now because they are on top. There was a time when things were different. Abolitionists, for example, supported secession. The banner of William Lloyd Garrison’s newspaper proclaimed, No Union With Slaveholders! If the South would not secede from the North, the North should secede from the South. Once the North was on top (and it has been, really, since the Civil War), liberal thinking shifted to support centralized government. But what if the Other Side truly takes over? Will you still support centralized power? Or will you begin to see the value in lowering the power pyramid and scattering power to smaller and smaller units: state, local, and best of all, individual.

  7. Mark Ledbetter says:

    ANSWER, PART FOUR
    “Certain rights are truly national, no?”

    Actually, not national. Universal. Rights apply to all individuals universally. The problem is how to insure that rights are protected. When power is centralized, the potential for abuse increases and the power itself becomes harder to oppose. You can argue that centralized power has protected rights better than local power in certain cases, like Jim Crow. But that one case does not automatically justify a big-power philosophy, especially when you are aware of the larger history of the development of Jim Crow. The impulse of liberal thinking (I’m using liberal in the 19th century meaning) should be towards decentralization of power.

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