Boulder Farmers’ Market bans Dogs: here’s a bunch of other Things we should Outlaw.

Via on Apr 29, 2012

Some folks seem to think the dog ban at Farmers Market is uptight and yuppie. I, frankly, have been won over–in fact, I think, while we’re at it, here’s 13 other things we should ban. ~ Waylon Lewis

What else can we ban at our Farmer’s Market? Let’s play lawyer.

As of June 1 or something, the Boulder County Farmers’ Market will ban dogs. And lizards and birds and squirrels.

My Fellow Californians,

The Yuppie-Family-Safety-Fear First-Truman Show takeover of Boulder is nearly complete.

This once wild town (Beat Poets, Trungpa Rinpoche drinking sake, horses on the streets as late as 1987, dirt lots downtown replete with tumbleweed) has been tamed by money-making development, our own CA license plates everywhere, red cups everywhere, and folks have to walk out of downtown to see those jarringly-beautiful views of Boulder’s iconic Flatirons.

(That’s one way to get rid of Chief Niwot’s curse: never see the mountains in the first place)

In that spirit-crushing spirit, here’s a bunch of other inconvenient, bulky, dirty, troublesome, messy, unpredictable things we should ban at the Boulder Farmers’ Market.

1. Dogs, we already know about. Finally. Dogs are hairy, dirty, can get stepped on, can get into dog fights, could attack humans or children, and can definitely scare people who are scared by dogs.

2. Baby Carriages take up an incredible amount of room. Especially the double-wides. Ban ‘em.

3. Bicycles. No walking bicycles in the farmers’ market. The handlebars could hit me while I’m holding hot coffee and I could die.

4. Hot Coffee. All hot liquids should be kept lukewarm. You never know what might happen.

5. Homeless people. Also, clipboard people. They’re dirty, and/or annoying when I’m trying to get back to my SUV with my three Ritalin’d children so we can get home in time for video games, or watching TV together, in separate rooms.

6. Children: so dirty, always pooping, digging up dirt, having fun—children are just messy, unclean generally. Like dogs, you can never really predict what they’ll do next. At the least, they should all be leashed up to the age of 18.

7. Cigarettes shouldn’t be allowed within a block north, south, east or west. The smoke, the cigarette butts—it’s disgusting. Don’t those people know they’re bad for you, yet!?

8. Hairy people—hairy heads, hairy chest, armpit hair, leg hair…it’s not just dog hair that has a way of flying through the air and landing on my perfect food.

9. Traffic within a block north or south. Cars pollute. Not to mention the noise pollution. This car ban should include the farmers’ own trucks and other vehicles, which take up an incredible amount of real estate in the already-crowded block.

10: Cell Phones: they cause cancer, and/or accidents (for which the Market Board could be liable) when texting and walking.

11. Arguments: toxic energy. Please, no unhappiness. Stay out.

12. GMO food. There’s a lot of it there, including via members of the Market Board. As far as I know, only Abbondanza has truly organic food that doesn’t come out of a seed catalog.

13. Dog owners. Dog owners probably won’t want to come if they can’t bring their dogs, anyways, since now they’ll be busy hiking, and Whole Foods etc is so much more convenient, schedule-wise. Also, we should consider banning Libertarians, who don’t like rules, and Republicans, who don’t like Big Brother meddling in their business.

14. The Farmer’s Market. It’s noisy, crowded, costs taxpayers a bundle and blocks the bike path for pedestrians and cyclists. Ban it.

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If you want to argue, or get bummed out, here’s my serious take.

Just found out about this today, made me angry, then sad. Already it’s illegal to have dogs inside a patio railing at a restaurant (food violation) or outside (dogs must be under leash control at all times).

Are we becoming a town obsessed with safety, orderliness, are we becoming too Aspen/Vail/CA yuppie-ized? Only 20 years ago the Beat poets were all over town, Trungpa was drinking Sake and making the cover of NY Times/TIME…now the possibility of a dog peeing or getting in a momentary dogfight is enough to ban all pooches.

Thoughts? Too many Rules n’Regulations? Keep Boulder Weird? I’m all ears.

Click above for comments, respectful debate.

Here’s more comments, from my FB page:

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Alex B: Only in Boulder so far. Longmont had signs suggesting you leave your animals at home this morning, but not a ban…

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Meg M:

We knew it was coming…My husband and I own The Bear & The Rat: Cool Treats for Dogs. We’re a local company who makes healthful, probiotic frozen treats for dogs. Our treats used to be made in Boulder (in Boulder Ice Cream’s facility). We applied three times and all three times, weren’t accepted to the market. We have always believed that it was because a ban was coming and looks like our intuition was right!

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Lucia H: It is important to recognize, as a pet lover/guardian, that there are some places that dogs are not safe or welcome. I agree with this ban. It would be a good idea for Boulder to come up with a way to make the Farmer’s Market available to people who have their dogs with them, like doggie stations in the park, or doggie daycare. Having so many people, some of whom are little kids, crammed together with food in a small space is not a good environment for a dog and can lead to aggressive behavior/accidents even in the best behaved pooches.

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Meg M:

Love that kind of thinking, Lucia! We personally don’t take our dogs to places like the market because they aren’t well-behaved and could not handle it. I do think that it’s important for dog owners to recognize their dog’s limits, but unfortunately is oftentimes not the case.

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Waylon Lewis Lucia, no such moderate solutions have been publicized or made available, that I am aware. Did you read the comments in the link above? As I said there, the official word from the Police or Animal Control is “leave your dog at home, that’s where they’re happiest.” Again, in the link above, they’re illegal on patios or outside patios. So they can’t go out with us unless to walk. They can’t be with us if we stop anywhere, in public. Leaving them in the backs of cars is hardly a good option.

So if we’re all truly concerned about dog aggression, leaving dogs at home all the time except for walks out = lack of socialization, boredom, pent up energy, and aggression.

I offered a solution in the above link: certify dogs as safe, and take away that tag on a three strikes you’re out rule.

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Waylon Lewis Meg, making laws to get rid of the 2% of troubled dogs / bad owners is not a way to run a society.

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Meg M:

Agree!

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Waylon Lewis My dog, Red, has messed up once or twice…in five years. He doesn’t often repeat his mistakes. That said, I try and get him tired before taking him to Market, as it’s an exciting happy place for him–crumbs, dogs, children, friends. It’s sad to lose those happy Saturdays.

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Meg M:

Yeah, I have to say – Matt and I were super bummed that we were never able to vend at such an amazing market with many likeminded people. It’s why we applied three times. You can come to Denver and bring Red to our markets. J/k. Maybe enough people will be riled up and will reverse this thing.

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Alex B: Actually, we already have laws to take out the 2% of troubled dogs and owners. They’re very hard to enforce, though, and I too disagree with this sweeping, lazy approach of banning all to avoid a few.

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Alex B: ‎(Though I do also leave my dog in the shaded car or at home when we hit up either market…)

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Zane Edwards I find it odd that dogs run around without leashes, in public places, restaurants, subways, etc. and don’t seem to be a problem in Germany and France. Maybe we just have more dogs than over there?

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Emma Blue Dogs are allowed in stores and restaurants in Germany if I remember correctly.

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Waylon Lewis And up in Ned!

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Lucia H: I think the city could take more initiative to come up with a way to make this work for dogs. This might be a great opportunity for some enterprising individual/organization or group to set up a doggie station. I can imagine a separate area in the park where dogs are welcome/encouraged.

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Rob M: I agree with Lucia and with the city. We don’t know if there have not already been close calls or even injuries to children, other dogs or adults. I would not want a child to be “strike one” or “strike two” against the dog. It’s not worth it. Lots of gorgeous places here to take your dogs, places with natural beauty and wilderness and without crowded places, careless feet and other dogs.

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Waylon: Rob, you clearly aren’t a dog owner. There’s a few dog parks—none near where I live—and Open Space, where, if you read the comments above, you’d already know that there are few areas where dogs can play, and runners and families are still up there. If you’re going to base law on the chance of something going wrong, why allow drivers of automobiles to be on cell phones? Why allow cars to go above 30 mph? Why allow anyone to drink? Let’s illegalize everything that could harm anyone! As for “not knowing” if dogs have maimed children, I’ve been at nearly every farmers’ market for years and haven’t heard of this. And again there’s nothing in this ban that would make children absolutely safe anywhere else in Boulder. Should dogs just be illegal?

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Waylon: ‎Todd Mayville, seriously?

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Todd Mayville Yeah…as much as I love bringing Frankie to the market on Wednesdays, it’s really too much on Saturdays when the crowds are larger…I’ve been very concerned for both the dogs (I’ve seen dogs stepped on) and for well-meaning kids who want to pet the “puppy.” Fido isn’t always so obliging. Maybe just restrict them to Wednesdays since those days aren’t so crowded?

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Kallie Barnes It’s a shame that dogs are banned. I think it is a very lazy approach by the city and I’m not sure why something like the green tag system they have for OSMP wouldn’t work. The city could make money (I think it’s $20 a tag) and make a lot of their dog owning citizens happy. What is Boulder becoming? Dogs have been with us for centuries, we even bond with them producing the exact same molecules that we do when bonding with another human! I think it’s just one more slap on the wrist for dog owners in Boulder and I don’t even have one! … And maybe we could move the Farmer’s Market so it is not so crammed right there in the middle of everything, I know it’s a somewhat prime location, but there’s got to be somewhere near there where we could open up an entire parking lot. I think that dogs should definitely be leashed at the Farmer’s Market, but banning them is really sending the wrong message. It’s a tricky mentality to set yourself in, banning things. I feel sorry for all the people who enjoyed getting out to the market on Saturdays with their pooches. @ Todd Mayville, maybe a ban on one of the days would make a bit more sense, but banning both days is just silly. And be careful about leaving your dog in the car, a 70 degree day can turn into 100 inside your car if in the sun. I hate hearing every summer about the pooches that die in people’s cars.

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Rob M: Hi Waylon. Though I don’t currently have a dog, I have many dog friends, and none of my dog friends’ peeps take them to crowded places with children and other dogs, except the dog parks. In no way am I anti-dog. I love the adorable, loving critters.

 

And, I HAVE seen aggression between dogs at the market, and I HAVE heard the yelps of dogs when their feet are stepped on by careless children; children who could be bitten for their clumsiness. And BTW, in many cities and states in the US, cell phone use IS forbidden while driving, and there are many other examples of forbidding predictably risky activities for the benefit of the public good. I think it’s a sensible restriction.

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Kallie Barnes ‎@ Rob M Life is a little bit dangerous and messy sometimes, dogs will be dogs, there are exceptions to every rule, children will be children, and S**t will happen. We can’t base our lives and our communities around fear of what could happen. We should be embracing what problems there might be at the Farmer’s Market and coming up with dynamic solutions. And in my opinion there’s a fine line between doing things for the public good and tyranny (for lack of a better word). While we are at it why don’t we just ban all the bums from being down at the Farmer’s Market too? They stink, they’re dirty, they beg, and they scare some people. I guess the only difference between dogs is they don’t bite… maybe.

I’m not looking for a fight here, but I really hate the ‘slippery slope’ argument, which Kallie and Waylon have both used here. I can play extremist too: “Why not allow dogs at the table in fine restaurants, in the aisles of grocery stores and sitting in movie theaters?” Highly recommend everyone read the Camera article, which quotes the current and the former directors of the Market, and one of its more popular vendors, who puts it this way:Jeni Nagle, of Ela Family Farms, said she agrees with the ban.

“I’ve gone back and forth for years, but I think it’s a good policy mainly for safety reasons,” she said. “There are little kids with food in their hands and their parents are shopping and talking. Food, children and dogs … you just don’t want to see anyone get hurt… I have a dog, but I wouldn’t ever take her to a market. She would rather be on a trail than in a crowd of people not watching where they are going.””

 

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_20478753/boulder-county-farmers-market-ban-dogs-other-animals?source=most_emailed

Boulder County Farmers’ Market to ban dogs, other animals – Boulder Daily Camera

www.dailycamera.com

The Boulder County Farmers

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Rob M: Also worth reading, the editorial by the exec director (at the time) of the Market. He says the top three complaints by customers are ‘parking, dogs and crowding’. They have taken action on all three, but long before the ban, the Market director (former and current) have implored people to leave their dogs at home.

 

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_18845310

Guest opinion: Reconsider bringing furry friends to the market – Boulder Daily Camera

www.dailycamera.com

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Waylon Lewis Rob, dogs are allowed in grocery stores and liquor stores and cafes and restuarants and off leash generally in the mountain towns, and as folks have noted in many areas in Europe…and yet somehow folks manage to eat etc safely.

PS Rob and Todd, great to hear from you and thanks for adding to the conversation. I’m just sad. Red effing loooooves the market. We bike there most markets, have for five years, or should I say “biked” there…and he runs and pulls once he knows where we’re going the whole way. He literally yelps in happiness as we go up the final wide sidewalk by the crick.

About Waylon Lewis

Waylon Lewis, founder of elephant magazine, now elephantjournal.com & host of Walk the Talk Show with Waylon Lewis, is a 1st generation American Buddhist “Dharma Brat." Voted #1 in U.S. on twitter for #green two years running, Changemaker & Eco Ambassador by Treehugger, Green Hero by Discovery’s Planet Green, Best (!) Shameless Self-Promoter at Westword's Web Awards, Prominent Buddhist by Shambhala Sun, & 100 Most Influential People in Health & Fitness 2011 by "Greatist", Waylon is a mediocre climber, lazy yogi, 365-day bicycle commuter & best friend to Redford (his rescue hound). His aim: to bring the good news re: "the mindful life" beyond the choir & to all those who didn't know they gave a care. elephantjournal.com | facebook.com/elephantjournal | twitter.com/elephantjournal | facebook.com/waylonhlewis | twitter.com/waylonlewis | Google+ For more: publisherelephantjournalcom

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46 Responses to “Boulder Farmers’ Market bans Dogs: here’s a bunch of other Things we should Outlaw.”

  1. @BenATkin says:

    This is the work of bureaucrats. If they really cared about being inclusive they would at most only ban dogs at the Boulder location where it's above capacity with nowhere to expand. The Longmont ban is unnecessary.

    • Smith_Scott says:

      Talk to the market manager. This isn't about bureaucrats. There is a lot of thought and practicality to this move. Until one learns the motivations behind it, grousing and hyperbole only spreads more pet hair into the air.

  2. It always shocks me when I see Boulder being more conservative/yuppie than Connecticut! At my local farmers' market, the dog socialization is huge, we have several vendors of products for dogs and other pets (including a local organic bakery that specializes in dog treats)—I don't think they'd ever get a ban to pass.

    We even have an entire day every summer that is focused on people bringing their dogs and various local rescues and animal charities have booths: http://us1.forward-to-friend.com/forward/preview?…

    It's sad that they jumped right to a ban instead of trying some other options first.

    • Smith_Scott says:

      Talk about jumping to conclusions, Kate! One newspaper story is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the circumstances that led to this decision. I can relate my own experiences having attended every Boulder County farmers markets last season and every one thus far this year. The management prerogative is intended to serve the greater good and not smack at the pet owners. It's a public health and safety issue.

      When some of the pet owners were told of the pending changes, more than a few became verbally abusive. At least one person spat upon the market person. Based on what I've seen and heard, there are more than a few humans who need to be collared, tethered and put into the cages due to abhorrent behavior over how they manage their pet.

      • oz_ says:

        Well, collaring and tethering humans would fit right into the fascist mentality that seems to often be on display when I visit Boulder, which I now try very, very hard not to do unless absolutely necessary. I found even Marin County and Berkeley to be more tolerant and less rule-obsessed than Boulder, and that's saying something. I consider the latter to be the poster-city for liberal-fascism run amok. Perhaps I'm just in a dystopian mood. Harrison Bergeron, anyone?

        • Smith_Scott says:

          Besides casting a wide net of politically contemptuous opinion, we're examining the issue of pet ownership and public space. Apparently for some pet owners it's a righteous cause to invoke all sorts of hyperbolic name calling and polemical castigation. Dystopia is certainly okay but wild-eyed liberal-fascism, really? Me thinks a bit too much caffeine, hmm?

          Rule-obsessed? Unwanted crotch-sniffing, leash-tethered tripping hazards mixed with open air food stuffs. It's about common courtesy…which apparently is not too common.

          Fascist, fascist, fascist? For such free and loose use of the word, I'm really curious that you find it living at a farmer's market. We should be so lucky that our economy, politics and global military presence are free of undue corporate influences and that dog bans at local farmers markets are how fascism rears its ugly head.

          • oz_ says:

            Thanks for the response Scott!

            Actually, I don't 'do' caffeine much, but I do 'do' close observation of sociopolitical civic dynamics. As such, think I'll stick with liberal-fascism, aye. I actually came up with that when I lived in Marin, but it seems to be an even comfier fit for Boulder. I'm actually quite conversant with the term fascism, and agree that the strict ideological definition isn't fitting here at all, but the overall impression from "liberal-fascism" seems to me to be dead-on. It's an impressionistic usage of the term, as it were, and I suppose I'm using it as an artist might. I fear I've wandered from dystopia to whimsy….

            All that aside, I love your last line, how very nicely put! Indeed, I agree wholeheartedly that "We should be so lucky that our economy, politics and global military presence are free of undue corporate influences and that dog bans at local farmers markets are how fascism rears its ugly head."

    • brad says:

      That's because people back east know how to live together. We in Boulder do not (see post below).

  3. Janey Harper says:

    What is going on with Boulder's anti-dog streak? Thanks for featuring this, Waylon. The ban sounds like total crap and makes me really embarrassed for my home town.

  4. Colin Wiseman says:

    So has something happened or did they just pull this idea out their asses?

  5. accounting says:

    Shouldn't things like this be put on a ballot?

  6. Padma Kadag says:

    Stop blaming California for all of your intrinsic ills. Vail and Aspen both were done in by your very own "Natives" as was Beaver Creek. As for dogs…well thats a mixed bag of pros and cons.

    • Waylon says:

      California is at fault for all my problems, you must understand. Today California made the day a little cooler than I'd like, and Califiornia made my coffee a bit bitter.

      Look, Mr. Serious: California is a great state, in many ways leading this nation environmentally. That said, after 1987, it's well known (and apparent if you live here) how many folks moved here and how much money came in.

  7. faye says:

    i laughed heartily at this article for this attitude of wanting to ban all that is annoying – big, hairy, floppy dog tails, double-wide prams, smokers – was all in me till 4 yrs ago. but then, over time, it changed. why? well, 5 yrs ago i moved to western Germany, toting around my American-ness stuck in my back pocket and realized it didn't fit here. no one else was demonstrating my annoyed attitude. everyone was seemingly tolerant, or they just ignored that which made me clench my jaw. people here, where it is more densely populated i may add, seem to enjoy every element that tickles the senses, therefore, moving at somewhat snail paces. that, subconsciously i guess, forced me to slow down myself, and not let the little stinky things get under my skin. when I'm at the outdoor-markets, it's as if people plan ahead, intentionally taking the time to enjoy, chatting with acquaintance they run into (and yes, blocking the path), pushing prams, tokin' their smokes, all with their furry friends in-tow. are there aggressive dogs? yes, but before they barely get a growl out, their human friend will do a lil' ditty of some kind, taming him/her, bring them back to their trained senses. sorry people of boulder that what is deemed as annoying is turning into public policy, shrinking your freedoms. hmm.

    • Waylon says:

      I think the next step is to ban dogs from downtown—peeing on trees near restaurants, dogfights, child maimings…anything is possible, and if it's possible, we should ban it. Also, seriously, talking about everyday danger: let's ban cell phone use in cars.

  8. Thank goodness the flood gates are opening and we can now queue up to ban things that annoy and inconvenience us. I'll start working on my list. :-)

  9. Andréa Balt says:

    Hahaha! Love this list. When are you running for mayor? No to dogs & hairy people. Oh, and children…"so dirty, always pooping".

  10. Waylon says:

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    Basit Mustafa · 36 mutual friends
    Waylon, I would support a people ban on public sidewalks. Please let me know when the change.org petition goes live.

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    Waylon Lewis People can be very unpredictable, dirty…good point.

  11. Capri says:

    That's too bad, for dog owners that really want to take there dog to the farmers market. As much as I love dogs sometimes I think people put a bigger value/importance on them then they do other people and things that are more productive…or something. I'm all for showering your animals with love and respect but I think It's also a bit weird (psychologically weird not boulder weird). It's something that's been coming up lately for me… it's also a generalization. So no dogs at the market could be nice. Either way, at least the article was really funny! Banning clip board people would work for me. And its interesting to know that Boulders turning into something else. The housing developments and Mc Mansions in the surrounding towns probably don't help.

  12. Tamara says:

    Ha ha I love this Waylon!! Well done. And I agree with you completely. Maybe selling whole food is a threat; we could choke. Perhaps pre chewed or blended foods only? :-)

  13. Tamara says:

    PS you know, i don't think something can be labeled organic and be GMO. I just saw the legislation on that somewhere official recently. If it's organic, it's definitely not GMO.

  14. Nick Nak says:

    Lame and shame on you Boulder…
    Leave bad dogs at home…
    Stop making it hard for good dogs.
    POST SIGNS that say only GOOD dogs welcome BEFORE banning anything! Jeesh!
    yet also folks with out dogs… know what is a fight and what is a spook or boundary noise.

    I feel that I WILL contract something nasty more from other humans than ever from a dog!

    Who wants to start a temporary fenced in area that you can drop your pooch for the time you are Farmers Market Shopping) maybe a time limited or small fee/donation for those that help out! Business Partner anyone?

    What do you think of this… http://www.dailycamera.com/portal/boulder/ci_2047

    A friend whom i agree with wrote this:
    Kaizque Ru: The Boulder Farmers Market always kind of sucked (the astronomical prices, the crowding, the pretentiousness and now this frivolous power trip that is the dog ban. The Boulder Farmer's Market needs some competition.

    NAK: I agree Kaizque Ru I would also like to see a indoors market in winter – Maybe like a ware house that isnt used much or the ol boarders book store…

    • Waylon says:

      Yes. Could be as simple as that: "Good Dogs Welcome." There exist laws already to handle any sort of incident. ~ Waylon

    • Waylon says:

      I was just in Halifax, Nova Scotia—and then in LA—there were many farmers markets all coexisting and some indoors, some outdoors…seems like yes it could be time for a less uptight market.

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  16. [...] Hairy people—hairy heads, hairy chest, armpit hair, leg hair…it's not just dog hair that has a way of flying through the air and landing on my perfect food. 9. Traffic within a block north or south. Vehicles pollute. Not to mention the …Read More… [...]

  17. Alexander says:

    Continue to make your comparions based on the past and you will constantly be disappointed. This article made me sad.

  18. brad says:

    Really? I takes a dog ban for you people to realize that the Boulder farmers market is an exclusive, rather than inclusive place? Perhaps we should reflect on how blessed we are that we can sit around for hours in coffee shops bitching about this. In any case, the remarkable thing here is that we need a dog ban. (and we do need one). The problem is the people. Boulder folks, for the most part, have not learned how to live in close quarters. I was just in NYC, and there were dogs- a few- in the farmer's markets. This is because people there have learned how to live on top of one another. Boulder people (and California people, for that matter) have not.

    • Waylon says:

      Nice condescension you have there. I work long hours and have sacrificed much. You don't know shiite about me. "Sitting around coffee shops bitching for hours."

      Actually, the Market (which includes tax) offers real, healthy food, accepts food stamps and is a great place to get deals. As someone who wasn't sure his debit card wouldn't get rejected until a few months ago, all my life, I've found the Farmer's Market to be welcoming to all classes, and to support local hard-working farmers of all backgrounds.

  19. Jackie says:

    We moved here to Boulder last October and have been surprised at how unfriendly Boulder is for dogs. We've had our dog for 7 years and lived in Austin, Santa Fe and South West Colorado. We could take her everywhere in all of those places and there were plenty of off leash areas for her. Boulder has only a few postage stamp sized dog parks where she can be off leash. In Santa Fe, many of the merchants have water and treats for dogs and welcome them into their stores. Here you can't take them walking on the mall. The Austin farmer's markets also welcome dogs and are great places to socialize them. Come on, Boulder. Loosen up.

  20. Nick Nak says:

    ‎#1: Like at other places (IE: CU with the bike / sk8 problem) put up signs that evoke the human to think and use their conscience aka Jiminy cricket.
    LIKE… Only GOOD dogs allowed today or Only GOOD / Skilled Bikers & Sk8 folk who fallow the CU bike rules (Same goes for Only GOOD Pedestrians…

  21. Nick Nak says:

    Also:
    What is it with Pearl Street… Really it is an issue?
    Sorry for my ignorance but BURLINGTON VT has a Church Street that is how life should be in Boulder…
    You can climb on the rocks, bring your pets, and people go after those that are the ones that are really wrong (IE: kid pokes dog in eye kid gets banned – even if the dog growls – bites are a different story yet a nip when a ice cream is being given to a dog is back on the lack of the parents aka kids fault.)

    - OH and yea we have a farmers market and dogs are just fine if GOOD (I saw a sign saying something similar at it last year and at a few other outdoor and hardware stores)

  22. mae says:

    I am simply for dogs

  23. Waylon says:

    Stress used to dissolve at the Farmers' Market. I used to call the sunshine + community + dogs + children + food "free therapy."

    Tonight, however, had a stressful time racing through farmers' market, not stopping to say hi to folks waving… at me, less community, barely time to buy anything, so could get back to my dog and continue on way home.

    Ze new regime at ze Farmers' Market is shooting themselves, and Boulder, in the foot.

    I'll go to Alfalfa's even more often, from here on out. I encourage fellow dog lovers to follow suit.

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    Funny, I stopped going to the market because the dogs make it maddening.

    And Abbondanza never has rainbow unicorn zucchini flowers by the time I get there.

    But mostly because of the dogs.
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    Dianne Hanlon Druyff Boo! Dogs are one of the best things about our market in Burlington VT. They dig the scene.
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    Sharyn Fischer · Friends with Naropa Grads and 45 others
    I love my dog with all my being – and am happy to leave her home when I go to the Farmer's Market. It's about the sheer density of the crowd in a smallish space. My dog is sweet, mellow, and loves all people; but not all people love dogs, or should be forced into such close quarters with them. I'm all for the ban. Do your Farmer's Market thing, and then take your best friend for an outing they'll REALLY enjoy, like a good hike or trip to the dog park!
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    Zane Edwards Sorry but bringing a dog to the farmers market is crazy and inhumane. A pet is not an accessory to show off how humane and lovable one can be.
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    Arunas Statkus What a wonderful Boulder problem. This is the very definition of a first world problem. Fight the power! You all should just start your own farmer's market.
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    Megan Hebbe I think it would be great to have a doggie day care at one of the fields at Boulder High. Student groups could rotate responsibility, perhaps partnering with other local organizations . . . Vendors are happy, and all shoppers are happy too! And has the potential to help create new doggie friendships and connect dog owners:)
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    Waylon Lewis ‎Arunas Statkus, hells to the yah. I know it. But if you think a Weird Old Cowtown that Cares about our Planet & Being a Good Person slowly turning into another Perfect Yuppie Enclave ain't sad, then somethingorother.
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    Waylon Lewis Brandon, the dogs were there to keep people away so they wouldn't buy all your rainbow whatever. And Abbondanza, btw, is struggling, so get back there and support the only farmers' stand that doesn't buy out of a catalog, that bothers to cultivate and keep its own seeds. If there's another farm doing so, folks, please let me know…seeds are only, you know, the basis of life.
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    Waylon Lewis Zane, you're right, I'm sure dog lovers everywhere will realize that leaving their sentient beings at home, bored, pent up, is far better for them. Thanks for your ignorance.
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    Waylon Lewis Sharyn, I do both, of course, but I socializing a dog is the best way for a dog to be predictably nice to children etc., not leaving them at home half the day. And as a cyclist, I don't have the inhumane luxury of leaving dogs in hot cars half the time.
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    Waylon Lewis Megan, thanks to you for being the only one to suggest any kind of solution. As it is, though the five folks, at least two of whom don't even live here, who bothered to comment are anti dog at Farmers' Market, I know many dog owners who will shop elsewhere. And as a longtime Farmers Market bigtime loud fan, I'm sad to agree with them.

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  26. Caroline says:

    This makes me want to leave Boulder. Its amazing how people are selective in their compassion and understanding. Its also amazing how just because a few people find something unacceptable, we all have to adopt it. The people who complain about things are usually going to find anything to complain about. I have a service dog, and we were asked to leave. I think that people misbehaving is scarier than dogs misbehaving. At least when my dog steps out of line (meaning she smells something while on duty), at least I can control her. People on the other hand, they're more dangerous…

  27. @ina_sahaja says:

    i always feel bad for dogs paws on the burning hot pavement while the owners are just chatting away in the sun. This is more of an issue in august, but you know. It's also a ticketable offense to play fetch with your dog in the park. Which is just totally lame.

  28. Rosana says:

    I have to say, I welcome the dog ban at the market. I have kids who are all scared of dogs because when we are in the park dogs are always running up to them and trying to lick them. Dog owners HAVE to leash their dogs in Boulder parks and there are so many who violate this rule. If you are not a parent whose kids became afraid of dogs because of dog owners who do not leash them in the parks, then you wouldn't understand this. I can't tell you how many times I've had to carry my kids home from the park while they were screaming and crying because of dogs who were not leashed running up to them…

    • rogerwolsey says:

      I'm a parent and there truly are more creative and healthy ways to parent than that. Seems to me that your reactivity is contributing to the problem. Most all dogs are submissive to adult humans. Firmly tell the dog to sit. Then tell the dog "down!" Once the dog is down it will seem less threatening to your child. Then you pet the dog. Your kid will see it's okay. Then you have your kid do the same, from the side so it's not face to face with the dog.

      Better yet, sure, hold your kid in your arms and wait for the dog's master to come to you. Then have that owner have the dog sit and go down and ask if it's okay for your kid to pet the dog.

      Blessings.

  29. Barbara says:

    I was bummed when our market banned dogs, but I don't think it was unreasonable. The market is full of plants and artwork standing on the pavement. The first instinct of most dogs is to pee on these things. Once one does it, the others copy.
    i kept my dog on a tight leash, but saw plenty who did not. People are not especially interested in buying produce when they see a dog peeing on the plants or on the stall itself. This is probably another case of a few careless people ruing it for everyone.

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