How Yoga Failed in Aurora.

Via on Jul 25, 2012

What’s the real goal of yoga—to perfect the body and mind for one’s own enlightenment or to inspire a world free of stress and violence?

I once posed a similar question to Swami Vishveshva Tirtha, the head of the Madhva Vedanta lineage in Udupi, India—a saint who started practicing meditation at the age of five.

His response?

“A yogi is a fish in water. (S)he purifies the society by eating all the debris.”

Traditionally, India has always revered the yogi as a benefit to society at large. Like a fish in water, it not only depends on the water for its life, it serves to clean the water.

The ultimate benefit of your yoga practice, in other words, is that it influences a larger collective field—if you can get beyond the self-obsession that dominates the individualistic Western embrace of the practice.

As an American yogi, I never believed that my daily yoga and meditation practice had any benefit other than what it offered my mind, body and emotional management—until I was sequestered in a remote central Indian village for three months while conducting my dissertation research.

I was staying with Nani (my best friend’s grandmother) where I shared a bed with five other women, bathed at 4 a.m. in the Narmada River (with the rest of the villagers) and helped milk the cow for my morning chai. Privacy was a luxury I resigned myself to sacrifice. And then I found it—an abandoned storeroom, which was a perfect sanctuary for my morning yoga and meditation practice. No one could bug me in there.

The first morning, I slipped out from under the leaden arm of one of my bedmates, tip-toed to my private sanctuary and unfurled my yoga mat. I relished the flow of each breath as I invoked the sun in my body. Alone with myself at last, I really missed being an American.

And then I saw them—many pairs of credulous eyes staring in at me through the windows. Where had they come from? How did they know I was here?

Ignoring the steady watch of their unflinching gazes, I continued with my practice.

But inside, I steamed with anger. Couldn’t I just be left alone for one hour? Was that too much to ask? I was really tired of being the village freak-show.

As I got up from my meditation, a sizeable crowd of onlookers who’d stared at me for well over two hours followed me as I made my way to the cowshed. They huddled around me requesting many things that seemed strange and out of place:

“Can you come to my field later today and bless my crops?”

“My auntie is very sick. Could you pronounce a mantra to help her get well?”

“Our daughter is getting married. We’d very much like it if you selected the proper bridegroom for her.”

I thought these people were out of their minds, until Nani explained something that changed the way I viewed my yoga and meditation practice.

“You are a yogini and you’ve come to this village. Because you are here, the people believe that the rain will be not too much and not too little this year. The fields will yield more food than we can eat. People won’t argue as much with each other. And we’ll all enjoy good health.”

The body of the yogi, Nani further explained, is a channel for the Divine to come through. The yogic practices purify the mind, emotions and ego until the individual sense of self dissolves. Ultimately, the presence of a yogi is a conduit for peace and non-violence.

“It’s said in the days of Buddha,” Nani concluded, “that his aura spread light across thousands of kilometers attracting followers with its magnetic non-violent vibrations. Kings stopped fighting wars and became monks. And India enjoyed hundreds of years of peace.”

In a real yogi’s presence, in other words, all violence gets subdued.

Hostile animals and people lose their aggression. A higher principle of peace dominates the collective instinct, which in its lowest expression is geared toward self-preservation and survival of the fittest. Yoga is ultimately an evolutionary system—to raise society at large up from its basest tendencies.

If this true, then why with so many people practicing yoga in the Denver area alone, did the worst public shooting in American history take place in its own backyard?

Perhaps we yogis have our focus in the wrong place. Perhaps the practice of yoga is too me-driven, when it’s really meant to surpass the demands of “I” and “mine.”

Maybe the shootings in Aurora are a wake-up call to really put our yoga to work for the collective good as it’s been traditionally regarded for thousands of years in India—the only country in world history, I might add, that won its independence from a major colonial power without firing a single bullet.

Because Gandhi was a yogi.

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Editor: Brianna Bemel

 

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Katy Poole, Ph.D. helps yogis who have a thirst for deeper experiences of samadhi discover it in Sanskrit, which is not a dead classical language that only geeky academics who hang out at Berkeley or Harvard can decipher. Rather, Sanskrit is a vibrational technology with which to enter higher states of consciousness. It's the gateway drug that causes addiction to effortless meditation. And it aligns your biorhythms with the pulse of nature at its source. Dr. Poole offers a free online introduction to Sanskrit video course that you can access at her website: http://www.SanskritforYoga.com

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72 Responses to “How Yoga Failed in Aurora.”

  1. Harleigh Quinn says:

    I'm sorry, and I understand the intention of the article, however I am working on another article.
    This one explains how there is no spirituality in yoga.
    Yoga has ONE purpose:

    Preparation for longer and deeper meditations.

    It is a form of stationary calisthenics that we have allowed to jump the shark into la la land.

  2. inspiredyogagal says:

    This is a beautiful and well written story that I will be sharing with my teacher trainees tomorrow in training. Thank you for sharing such a powerful piece. With gratitude and lovingkindness :-)

  3. Liz says:

    I've practiced yoga almost daily for 5 years. I teach it. I do believe in reacting as your higher self, helping your fellow man, and making choices that not only benefit you but those around you. I'm also agnostic. But I believe in spirituality. We all have a "spirit", whether it's a life force or our personality. You define this for yourself.

    However, I don't believe that around an enlightened individual all creatures and people fall into peaceful, loving, non-violent states. Otherwise, why was Gandhi assassinated? If you believe in Christ, why would he be crucified if he radiated so much peace and love that it changed all the people around him?

    If I read this article, and were a yogi residing in Colorado, I would feel like you just told me that me and my fellow yogis aren't doing enough. We aren't good enough because something bad happened in the world around us. I highly disagree with this line of thinking. It's superstitious and can be found in the minds of over-religious zealots everywhere. After 911, people blamed the "sinfulness of America". There are many scapegoats in the world.. Muslims, Christians, gays, women, men, Republicans, Democrats. I understand, but don't support, why people do this. It's because they can't make sense of something. A horror like the theater shootings is unfathomable. But it's really quite simple… there are depraved, snapped, mentally ill, or just hateful people that exist in the world. No yogi, or other person, is at fault for that.

    That being said, I have no problem with you encouraging people to be their best self. Cause and effect, otherwise known as Karma, is real. And the more love and goodness we provide to the world, the more the world will be a better place. It's just not a "cure-all" and it isn't a guarantee against all of the bad in the world.

    • Katy Poole says:

      Hi Liz,

      Thanks for your comments and insights. I think you raised a compelling objection to the premise of my article. Just a point of clarification—I certainly don't *blame* yogis in Colorado for what happened, though I can see how someone might conclude that based on your response. My intention, rather, was to offer a motivation for yogis to expand the possibilities of their practice. And it's true that Gandhi was assassinated. And it's also true that he led the largest non-violent independence movement in the world relying on the principles of yoga. Just because he was brutally murdered, does it discount what he accomplished? If he had known what his end would be, would he have just given up and called it his karma?

      Gandhi used to read the Bhagavad Gita every day. It was his "manual for life." In it, Krishna tells Arjuna to align with his dharma and to act without attachment to the fruits of the action and to not be the doer. I think that's a basic premise of yoga in action. We show up. We put in our time. We surrender the fruits. And we relinquish the role of the doer. The outcome is not in our power, but yogic action as Krishna describes is. The quality of action—how we show up—is more important than the outcome. It makes a difference. And it does promote positive values. As a yoga teacher, I'm sure you see it every day in the lives of your students no matter what they have to face in their lives that may not be positive. And their practice does have an uplifting effect on everyone they encounter.

      The highest values of yoga in practice may not be a "cure-all" but I think that there is power in the collective mind united under an uplifting purpose. And I think that's worth striving for—even in this imperfect world.

      Thanks again for your compelling comments.

  4. Sonyata says:

    YES! This is the spirit of yoga. Thank you for this moving and revealing article. I am saddened by the response of some of those above me. Their cynical attitudes and spirits are symptoms of the illness that is pervasive in our society.

    I have a small story to share, and it was while I was living in Las Vegas. I worked at a mini-mart/laundry mat owned by a family from India. When I first started working there, the place was over-run by local thugs, drug addicts, prostitutes alcoholics, pan handlers and shoplifters. The owner, an aging Indian man named Pal, was beside himself. His spirit was beaten, and the shelves in the store were nearly bare. Whatever he stocked the store with got shop lifted. At times, people would walk in the store, take something, and walk right out laughing "What you gonna do? Call the cops?"

    Some of the store's employees were giving cigarettes to their friends, giving alcohol to their friends, selling twelve packs for five bucks out the back door and keeping the cash for themselves. Pal did not know who to trust. I watched the people who came in the store for a month, to get to know them. Then I began to kick the bad customers out. It did not go over well at first, and I was at times threatened. But being a Marine Combat veteran, I was prepared to do my duty. When the sun went down at night, I could feel the evil come rolling in. I could sense when one of the thugs was approaching the store, and developed an innate sense of danger when bad customers were in the store. I sat at the counter reading the Dhamapada, the Teachings of Buddha.

    One night there was a young man snooping around the store. I put down my book and went over and stood next to him. He looked at me, and began taking things out from under his shirt. "See." he said to me. "I could have stolen all of these things." as he looked in his hands at several items. "Yes, you could have." I replied back to him. "But really, you would have just been stealing from yourself." I stated. "Yes, you're right." He said. "I believe in all that karma stuff." He gave me the items. "I do too." I responded back to him. "Have a great night!" I said to him as he turned back and waved at me. "Bye."

    I worked for Pal for three years, while teaching yoga classes in the daytime. I know the power of peace. When a man of peace is in the room, people come to peace quickly. The battles I fought at the Rebel Mini Mart and Laundry Matt were difficult spiritual battles, fought during the Great Recession in a city whose primary ambition is tourism – that of gambling, alcohol, and the sex industry. It is the self proclaimed "Sin City". It was like a college degree in the mechanics of karma, and the ill effects of a society that is so steeped in ego centric views that they scoff at the idea that anybody should tell them what to do, or what not to do. That anybody has any moral authority over them, or that anybody should say anything when people blatantly and openly disregard the law, or the dharma.

    I don't see your article as a criticism of the yogis and yoginis in Aurora, Colorado. Rather, I see it as a calling for the same to go beyond the self obsessive, egotistical practice that is difficult to rise above in a society that is "me me me centric". A society that is obsessed with their right to stock pile guns and ammunition, and the corporations that are anxious to sell them to the masses. My teacher, Larry Schultz (founder of It's Yoga) always stated his vision as "A million yogis to save the world." What you are talking about is what he meant. The power of a yogi is in their peaceful resolve. When they find it, it spreads contagiously. You don't have to say a word.

    Namaste,
    Sonyata

  5. Sonyata says:

    Harleigh Quinn – I have seen your posts on other articles, and think I understand your take on yoga. What you mean to say is that "Asana" is but a single limb of yoga, and as stated in the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali, its purpose it to condition the body so that one may sit comfortably for an extended period of time in meditation. Asana is but one of the preparatory steps for meditation. And that is most certainly true.

    Granted, there are many fitness center yoga classes that teach only the physical conditioning of yoga asana, and many "hot yoga" and other fitness oriented studios. Often, the Yoga Sutra and the philosophy of yoga is the last thing to be taught. But that is not the case in all of the studios. The studio I practice at teaches philosophy of yoga, meditation, and has weekly kirtan. It has arisen from meditation, not the other way around.

    You may want to read the Bhagavid Gita in order to develop a better definition of yoga. Yes – Yoga is unity, and that unity is found in meditation. It is the path to come to the Divine union of God. And so in our lives we should seek to experience that union with others, for really we are all manifestations of the same ONE. That is also another context of asana, or "seat". Think of asana as ones "position" in life, amongst the countless souls of others. Suddenly, Sthira Sukha (steady and comfortable) takes on a whole new meaning, as does the mystical pranayama. These are the higher spiritual truths of yoga which one may come to with determined practice.

    Of the three gunas, there are tamas, rajas, and sattva. Sattva is the enlightened balance of the other two. A yogi comes to balance between sun and moon, light and the matter, the spirit and the flesh. So I don't know what you are trying to prove – there is no spirituality in yoga. Yoga is the pursuit of the balance of our spiritual, eternal nature, and our temporal, mortal nature.

    • Harleigh Quinn says:

      I have actually read the sutras, the dhammapada, the upanishads, the vita. I have been a practicing buddhist for over 22 years.

      What I am calling people out on is the misuse of yoga (yoga in the west is nothing like its true origins) as well as the narcissism that has infected it, buddhism and all other spiritual practice, now supported and promoted by those same spiritual practices (which may be why the tibetans abandoned us in our buddhist study) and the use of “spirituality” to sell “asana”, similar to how the church used fear to have you buy rights to your eternal soul from them.

      What has happened is people live a facade. They do not do the actual needed introspection necessary to make real change or accomplish rea growth.

      It’s a spiritual social club. They have brought the same inadequacies they sought to escape with them, and couched them in the new spirituality, molding the practice around them, rather than molding themselves around the practice.

      • ramani.yogini says:

        Harleigh,

        It seems as though your statement above was made to try and get people's attention. Are these judgements about how people practice yoga, or do u consider them statements? The beauty of yoga is that it is a tool, some use the tool to perfect their body. Some have placed yoga on a pedestal. When you look at yoga in the west you Must realize that the ideas are being adapted to many different religions, some that reject yoga's spiritual teachings. But for those of us that embrace the spiritual side of yoga, the side that has caused us to look deep inside and change…for us yoga is a beautiful spiritual practice. I have many friends that practice and teach yoga authentically…they have been to India on several occasions. I just wish for more compassion and less judgement :-)

        Ramani

        • I don’t think you mean compassion. I believe you mean sympathy. That is the word compassion has become synonamous with in the west. Compassion and sympathy are not the same. Not even close.

          When i watch something couch and support precisely what it is intended to alleviate others of, and worse yet, constantly hear excuses made for this, I see no reason to realize anything of the sort.

          Going to India doesn’t mean they undersand anything better. It means they went to india. I have watched people go to India on “spiritual pilgrimage” and come back even MORE narcissistic, not less, and even less knowledgeable than when they left, not able to have a simple conversation on the subject unless it be laden with the wonderful modern buzzwords.

          They have, as I hav already stated, conformed yoga to their egos, made excuses for their egos, found support for their narcissistcally aligned egos, come off as smug and holier than though, and still have not done the deep introspection that would relieve them of the most divisive thing holding back their progress : the ego.

          Making excuses for it doesn’take it right, much less solve the problem. In a way, bikram is right in how he present yoga. Westerners are inherently incapable of practicing it correclty and make excuses fir this when that is pointed out.

      • Padma Kadag says:

        harleigh…explain the meaning of "which may be why the tibetans abandoned us in our buddhist study". Who has been abandoned? What "Tibetans" are doing the abandoning? I do not understand the relevance of your statement.

        • Harleigh Quinn says:

          It is easily found when the tibetans chose to leave the US and turn their backs on the lost children of buddhism here.
          And seeing what I have seen in the last couple of years, I do not blame them.
          They have "returned", in a way, with the Diamond Way Dharma centers, but, to be honest, egos have invaded it so much I do not see it being what it is meant to be.

  6. An interesting consideration of the yoga purpose.

    Posted to Elephant Yoga and Enlightened Society on Facebook.

    Lorin Arnold
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  7. Thaddeus1 says:

    I think this is a wonderful treatment and analysis of the state of yoga practice in the west delivered in a respectful and considered manner. Thank you.

  8. Ed Spyhill says:

    All forms of spirituality combined are no match the human race's propensity to violence. We ask the impossible of meditation, Yoga, Buddhism, Zen, etc if we expect any or all to change us.

    • Padma Kadag says:

      I disagree…I feel that the propensity for Humans is empathy and compassion. Once we humans get a taste of empathy and all that it provides then we get hooked.

      • Are you aware that the number one treatment for narcissitic personality disorder is mindfulness training? It’s meant to teach them empathy. Are you also aware the success rate is near zero?
        Even worse, are you aware that through use of this mindfulness training they now have learned how to better and more efficiently manipulate others?

        The only way to teach a narcissist empathy is to take the control away from them, to force them into similar or same situations they have put others through. Even then, that may not work.

        But the structure, the way yoga, spirituality, mindfulness, westernized Buddhism, the way it has has made compassion mean sympathy, the narcissism of feelings, has done nothing but bolster the ego, supporting the damaging nature it was supposed to correct. Giving the narcissIst exactly what it wants. And yoga and buddhism are filled to the brim with narcissists. Hedonistic, self absorbed, and putting out only the actors semblance of empathy.

        No, tasting empathy doesn’t mean the behaviour will become naturally ingrained, genuine, or genuinely practiced.

        • Padma Kadag says:

          Harleigh, narcissism is only one of the innumerable afflictions of a human being. I am not sure what you mean by "mindfulness training" or to what school which you are referring. I think I know what you are trying to say and to some extent I may agree with you. You would do better to not judge the minds of others and watch your own. This is not a personal judgement on the current state of your mind but a judgement on what you convey in your writing. You offer no solution. Better to taste empathy than not at all. Please answer how have the "tibetans abandoned us"? You refer to a race of people as saviors? or some school of Buddhism. Please clarify

        • Mindfulness is the bottom of the barrel, most basic, almost first practice taken from Tibetan Buddhism.
          Wow.
          It’s actually quite similar to the 8 limbs.

          However that response seems born of the narcissism that has become westernized Buddhism and spiritual practice.
          What happened to “union”, or the fact it is incumbent upon us to correct each other when we do not correct ourselves?
          Part of mindfulness is to be aware how others view us as well.
          However that part is ignored in the west in our constant efforts to be accountable to no one. This is also purely a trait of narcissism.

          Of course, that part is skipped in the west, in our efforts t

          • Padma Kadag says:

            Please..I implore you..to comment on how the "tibetans have abandoned us"

    • Katy Poole says:

      Except that history has shown us otherwise. After the Buddha, India stopped engaging in war. This was a direct consequence of Buddha's influence as the story of King Ashoka demonstrates. India won her independence with a non-violent revolution. And our civil rights movement accomplished great things non-violently. Yes, we have the propensity to commit horrible atrocities. And we also have the possibility to experience enlightenment and establish an enlightened society. That's the conundrum of being human. It's an enormous contradiction.

  9. Katy Poole says:

    Just a quick correction on one of the links that the editor of my article imbedded. The link connected to Swami Vishveshva Tirtha leads to another unrelated swami—Swami Sadashiva Tirtha. Here's a better link to give some background on the former: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishwesha_Teertha

  10. Emma Magenta says:

    The kind of superstitious, magical, childlike thinking described here is actually working AGAINST the efforts of real activists to create demonstrable change in the world. Gandhi didn't change history by being extra special holy, and sending out extra special holy vibes. He changed it by taking ACTIONS.

    • elephantjournal says:

      Amen on dialogue and disagreeing, but let's keep it respectful. All caps = yelling. Gentleness, as Trungpa Rinpoche said, is our only true weapon in cutting through spiritual materialism or deception or magical thinking.

    • Harleigh Quinn says:

      Agreed, and I will say, by reading the EXACT wording of this post, there is NOTHING disrespectful within it.
      Descriptive?
      Yes.
      Disrespectful?
      No.
      However, I have had MANY a narcissistic "yogi/yogini turned mc buddhist" tell me how I was too thin skinned, only to display how overly sensitive they actually were themselves.

      They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

      I would love for someone to tell me PRECISELY what is disrespectful within that comment.

      PRECISELY.

  11. Emma Magenta says:

    Also, Katy Poole–are you really making the outrageous, incredibly historically inaccurate claim that violence in India ceased to be under the influence of Buddhism? That's garbage.

    • Katy Poole says:

      Thanks, Emma, for your contribution to the conversation. Have you read about the conversion of King Ashoka? That's the historical reference I was making. I didn't say Buddhism did entirely away with violence. But following Buddha and the conversion of Ashoka, the culture of warring kings shifted. That's actually accurate.

      Gandhi held satsang every night to raise the vibrations. He kept silence and fasted once per week. He lived by his interpretation of the Bhagavad Gita. His social engagement was fed by his yogic practices. I refer you to "The Story of My Experiments with Truth" and for the chapter in "Autobiography of a Yogi" wherein Yogananda describes his visit to Gandhi's ashram.

      And finally, I take offense (as all the villagers would who live very holy and spiritual lives in the village of Dindori in Madhya Pradesh. They are not stupid superstitious uneducated villagers. They are wise and beautiful people. You should go there sometime and see for yourself.

      Thanks again.

    • Padma Kadag says:

      Emma..to what are you referring?

    • Emma, thank you. Thank you immensely for both your comments.

  12. disappointed reader says:

    this is easily one of the worst articles ever written here on EJ. Please show some respect to the victims and the tragedy by relating it to a group of yogis in the local area.

    "If this true, then why with so many people practicing yoga in the Denver area alone, did the worst public shooting in American history take place in its own backyard?"

    you have to be kidding me?…are you all of you so wonderfully divine and magical that you never thought something like this out of your yoga bubble of good vibrations. We live in the USA… home to many dysfunctional families, schools, neighborhoods and media programming. Please wake up and realize this has nothing to do with yoga. Columbine had nothing to do with a lack of yoga either if you were wondering.

    "all these people got killed in a movie because our yoga wasn't good enough" – .a good example absurd of "me" type of thinking.

    • yogasamurai says:

      Thank you, Disappointed, for your voice of clarity amidst this insufferable narcissistic insanity. It boggles the mind.

    • elephantjournal says:

      Thank you–but please keep respectful. Kind debate is one of our core mission purposes. And, generally, cutting through spiritual materialism, or magical thinking! But doing so with respect in our comments and criticisms.

      • Harleigh Quinn says:

        Again, what PRECISELY is disrespectful in this comment?

        PRECISELY?

        Because it causes Dukka?

        Then maybe the Dukka should be explored, not the comment of the person admonished.

        The buddhha said many things agianst the status quo and apologized for NONE of it.
        And no one told him to be kind to others egos, because his exact point was that the ego was limiting in the first place.

        So we are told, now, to have sympathy for stating an opinion in a respectful manner?

        Wow.

        Buddhism and yoga are turning out to be worse than congress or the NSA…..

  13. disappointed reader says:

    by not relating it*

  14. Suri_k8 says:

    I totally agee with Emma, that the villagers thought you were some kind of enlightened being just shows how ignorant they are . India is submerged in poverty and misery, if yoga actually was this super special thing you are talking about India would be a paradise of peace and love …but it is not …The problem here as it often happens with westerners is that you seem to have this romantic view of India and eastern philosophy and you completely fail to see things objectively.

    Actually, India is one of the most dangerous countries for women, womens rights are like inexistent and they still cherish some very primitive traditions like forced marriage , child marriage …..if yoga has this enlightening power how come India is in the gutter in matters of quality of life and human rights????…

    • Katy Poole says:

      Actually, I lived in India for five years and I speak two Indian languages. And I'm quite intimate with the village life in Bengal and in Central India—and it really, really pains me to read comments from people here who condemn these people as ignorant. That's incredibly insulting and degrading—especially if you knew them and the kind of lives they live. They are some the most beautiful people I've ever encountered. They live lives of great dignity and the women in the villages I lived in were not degraded beings. In fact, the mayor of the village I described was an incredibly powerful and beautiful woman who did so much to bring quality education, many programs to eradicate poverty, and excellent infrastructure. So it's really harsh to read this kind of feedback about the villagers I spent so much time with and learned so much from.

      I also spent years and years studying Sanskrit and reading Vedic and classical texts on yoga and its effects not only on the physiology, but on the environment and society. The understanding of the body of the yogi as a conduit for divine energy comes out of the practice of Vedic sacrifice or yajna, which has been shown to have a beneficial influence on the environment when performed correctly. There have actually been studies conducted on the influence of yajna as well as meditation by researchers at Harvard that if I can find the link, I'll direct you toward. There were also many studies done in the 70s on the measurable influences on group meditation and prayer to reduce violence in the society. The Dalai Lama himself has sponsored such studies and I don't think you want to go so far as to condemn him as backward and ignorant as well.

      Apart from this, I know a lot of the struggles that people face and the limitations of "spirituality" in India. And I don't think that anyone thought of me as some kind of enlightened being. I meant more to express—however inadequately—the way people perceive yoga in traditional India. They see the practices as beneficial for all beings. It's a deeply rooted understanding of the role of anyone who undertakes a spiritual discipline. It's not for personal gain, in their understanding, but something that can uplift everyone.

      That was the point of my article.

      • @Suri_k8 says:

        I dont mean to be mean but I think your post reflects how absurd these beliefs can be . I do not doubt that these villagers are good people but that doesnt mean they cant be ignorant and/or deleluded by all these superstitions. These studies you are talking about have been proved to be nothing more than wishful thinking…and like I said if this practice that you mention is "proved" to have this beneficial effects on the people and the environment how come there is so much suffering and environmental degradation in India? I think my friend Mike G below hit the nail in the head …couldnt have said it better myself.

      • Vik Zutshi says:

        Thank you Katy for raising the bar on 'meaningful discourse' on EJ. Much needed!

    • Vik Zutshi says:

      @Suri – when you go to skidrow in LA,NY,Chicago or visit any of the barrios and ghettos of inner city America,inhabited by crackheads, pimps, dealers and hookers, do you automatically equate the whole country with it's impoverished, downtrodden, disenfranchised segments? No you do not because you are aware that it is one aspect of the American reality and not the whole. In the same way, you should avoid making sweeping generalizations about 'India' or any other place which you have meager knowledge of. India also has the largest upwardly mobile, educated, cosmopolitan population in the world – 400 million plus. Rather than chastise Katy Poole on having a 'romantic' view of India, you need to educate yourself on the realities of the world you live in and not succumb to every trailer park stereotype thrown your way. Katy is a respected scholar, thinker and intellectual who has spent a big chunk of her life in India, and is a lot more qualified to comment on it than most of the wannabes on this thread. Just the fact that you spend so much time on yoga blogs trolling the writers shows that you have a hidden fascination with esoteric systems that you are afraid to articulate. If you were disinterested or indifferent you would not be here. Maybe try perezhilton.com? It may be just what you're looking for… :)
      ps – regarding the scientific basis behind Sanskrit, mantra theory, classical music, Ragas and the science of sound in the Vedic context do check out 'Nadabrahma – The World is Sound' – http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/139567.The_Wor… – "A mind blowing compendium of Philosophy, Metaphysics, Quantum Mechanics,Maths, the physics of Sound and omnipresent Harmonic proportions."

      • Suri_k8 says:

        Did I hit a nerve? I can see you are upset , maybe you dont like it when people question your absurd beliefs ….. I fail to see how a music journalist-Osho disciple can explain such a a complex subject as Quantum Mechanics when he is not a physicist himself , Quantum Mechanics is not something the lay person can really understand …which reminds me of Deepak Chopra and all the other charlatans that use nonsensical language disguised as science just to wow gullible people like you ….it is really funny ….. All these Indian Gurus-charlatans who speak of vibrations and other dimensions are so deluded it is histerical.8D ))))) *Laughs histerically*

        Also, where I choose to spend my online time and where I post comments is non of your bussiness. BTW India is ranked 145 of 179 just above Camerun and Ghana in the Worlds Education Index so perhaps you should educate yourself a little bit in statistics before posting silly comments.

        • Harleigh Quinn says:

          Thank you, Suri.
          Question:

          Does anyone know how Japan ceased to have an emperor?

          They used to worship their emperor as a GOD, they thought he made the sun rise and fall.

          One day, a new and young emperor came out and addressed everyone and said

          "I am not a god. I am a man, just like you."

          Yogi/yogini is an honored title in india, and what I see here is that that title has gone to someone's head.
          A true yogi or yogini would not basque and glorify this title, as has been done, if for no other reason then the yamas and niyamas.

          HUMILITY.

          This story reminds me of someone saying, in response to my story of saving some hit by a semi while everyone stood by

          "Well, I was studying abroad, and, well, this is silly, but I just HAPPENED to be in the Kremlin and we just HAPPENED to get locked in. I know, it was soooooo silly….."

          And that was the end of the story. Nothing else.

          Selflessness countered with selfishness.

          One didn't care for accolades and the other does.

          Is it now disrespectful point out this is how this story sounds to ME?

          • @Suri_k8 says:

            The problem with EJ is that they are so lost in their dogmatism that it is like a " gentle" or "nice" police state , you have to be nice and only post nice comments that preferably agree with what the author is saying otherwise you are an AH or a troll and your comment can be erased as is the case of Guest below …his comment was erased only because it questioned the education of the author…and I agree, like you said , there are so many things that are wrong with this post ….. It doesnt look like something a Phd expert in Sanscrit would write…..of course this is my opinion.

          • Harleigh Quinn says:

            And I agree with your opinion whole heartedly.

  15. __MikeG__ says:

    Magical thinking will not do any good. The villagers are probably nice people but it is beyond ridiculous for anyone to believe that performing calisthenics gives a wannabe acrobat the magical ability to control the rain.

    From there this article descends into a morass of ridiculous thought where the very presence of a performer of calisthenics can cause dogs to not chase cats and criminals to stop committing crimes.

    And BTW, Gandhi did not perform any magic in his work to free India from British rule. He took no violent action. But the key is he took action. At every turn he challenged British rule.

    You want to reduce violence? Magical thinking and belief in vibrations will always fail. Be like Gandhi if you want to make a change. Take action.

    • Vik Zutshi says:

      @MikeG – 'action' or 'karma' can mean virtually anything – any action performed by the human body qualifies as Karma, whether you're swatting flies, watching brain dead television or trolling on the internet.. Therefore 'calisthenics', yoga, chanting, meditation or simply doing nothing at all, are also 'Karmic' events. Non-doing is also doing – a yogic principle that Gandhi understood completely..which frustrated the colonizers, because they had not seen anything like it before. His 'action' comprised of non-violent and passive resistance, which as history has shown was highly effective in getting rid of the British. Truly, 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'. Mindless un-enlightened action, springing from a gung-ho, winner takes all, frat boy approach is a lot worse than not doing anything at all.
      Thanks Katy Poole for raising the bar on EJ. The reactions to this article are enlightening indeed!

  16. Susi says:

    Wow, I don't know where to start. Even though I do believe that our intentions can influence external events, it's quite a stretch for anyone to believe that even the very best, focused intentions of any group can eliminate 100% of the violence in any area. Decrease it, sure, I'll believe that. And despite these murders being a terrible act, we'll never know what COULD have happened. Maybe 3 or 4 potential serial killers didn't follow through with their own plans. (I'm not being sarcastic. We really don't know.)

    The other thing is that sure, there is a superficiality to some people's yoga practices. (And not just in the US. There are superficial people everywhere.) But certainly there are many practitioners who are very serious, very devoted in the practice. Many practice metta on a daily basis, for instance. There might even be a few who became serious and devoted without going to India. I'm just not sure why there is an assumption that the yoga practitioners around the Aurora area are self-obsessed.

    • Harleigh Quinn says:

      Agreed, except there are FEW truly devoted practitioners.
      The majority are hedonistic narcissists that have found a new social club that not only does not question their behavior, but DEFENDS IT.
      There is so much wrong with the article above, so much that is NOT yoga in any way, I couldn't begin without being told I am being disrespectful.
      And when I say this, I mean pulling sentences and paragraphs point by point and addressing them, point by point in how….just forget it, I am about to cross the line by utilizing "G Rated" dictionary vocabulary to be descriptive.

  17. yogasamurai says:

    The best thing yogis can do in the wake of this tragedy is to mentally prepare themselves to act if they ever find themselves in a similar setting.

    Think of how to maintain absolute calm and clarity when the moment to act arrives – when the killer's gun jams, for example – and have the presence of mind and spirit to spring into action and tackle and subdue the motherfucker?

    We're a nation of pacified, overfed, terrified sheep that sit in our little pens waiting to get slaughtered by a 24 year old moron without military training. It was 1 against 100 – do the fucking math.

    All yoga seems to have taught the suburban Stepford Wuves who dominate its ranks is how to bliss out, go on exotic yoga vacations, dip into their Infinity pools, and gracefully age with their wrinkles under the glorious banner of mindful detachment.

    I am reminded of the amazing rugby player who organized a group of male passengers to rush the cockpit in the last hijacked plane on 9/11 that was headed for the White House.

    Now there's a man among men. Oh yeah – and he was gay.

    But keep praying guys – because really it means so much!!!

    • elephantjournal says:

      As always, love your comments—agree with them—except for when you get personal. I deleted the one where you did. http://www.elephantjournal.com/2010/08/be-nice-or

    • SQR says:

      I've been reading lately how people seem to know what they would have done at the Aurora movie theater… "tackle and subdue the motherfucker", etc etc. I've had extensive firearms training (and I've been shot at) but I'm not prepared to say what I would have or wouldn't have done because I wasn't there, and neither were any of the other folks posting that nonsense.

    • Harleigh Quinn says:

      Thank you.

  18. @Suri_k8 says:

    "Sanskrit is a vibrational technology with which to enter higher states of consciousness. It's the gateway drug that causes addiction to effortless meditation. And it aligns your biorhythms with the pulse of nature at its source."

    I would love to see some peer reviewed scientific evidence for that. Last time I checked Sanskrit was just another of the thousands of languages that exist.

  19. sweet_kitten_candy says:

    Gawd! Yogis are starting to sound like evangelical christians.

    • Harleigh Quinn says:

      Precisely, on BOTH points

      I am glad people are beginning to get what I have seen for two years or more, now.

  20. arthur says:

    these reactions are amazing! it is true and testable that hostilities cease in the presence of grounded non-violence. i was in a bar at 3am and a guy started choking me for no apparent reason, but it was ok cause i apologized and asked what was wrong, then the choker and i talked and it was a case of mistaken intention. it was not a case of coincidence (except that i didn't react violently), but a case of peace. it is a long road to real grounding in peace, and is one that has to be traveled constantly, beginning again and again, and almost always alone. our hedonistic, desire-fulfilling and need-ignoring culture is so opposed to contentment and peace even barbs like name calling seem useful and calming. it is amazing and we are all to blame for failing to bring peace, to ourselves and everybeing else! beginning …

  21. Padma Kadag says:

    Harliegh, Mike G, Suri K8, One consideration is where is the harm in the villagers acting in such a way? Why does this get you so upset? The villagers,culturally, have been suckled on religious stories of gods and goddesses and the holy people who embody them…this is a fact. Any person who appears to be "trained" in any kind of spiritual discipline wiill be treated as if they are a god or Buddha because this is their custom…because you just never know if that stranger is…. This is prevalent around the world…In Ireland they set a place at the table for the christ…and so on. Where is the harm in this? The villagers feel as if they have been blessed and it adds to their day or year in a positive way. And in fact the villagers have taken "Action" through their custom. Their reality makes them happy. Can you say the same?

    • Suri_k8 says:

      Gullibility is actually dangerous , it is the reason why people fall for charlatans and cults .If this villagers were wowed by an american chick doing yoga just think what could happen if a dude that sells girls to prostitution rings comes and tells the villagers he is an emanation of the Budhha and neds all the girls from the village to be given to him as gifts ….of course in exchange he will bless the crops and stuff.

      They have not taken action , they are just deluded ….they just dont know better …Remember Lakshmi , the girl with 8 limbs ? They thought she was a godess too. Its ridiculous. After she got surgery to remove the extra limbs , villagers blamed her for the worst drought in 40 years and a witch doctor said she was cursed.

      So if they are happy in their ignorance, well, good for them but I dont think it is innocuous .

      • Padma Kadag says:

        Suri…The point you should consider is that if the villagers show respect to a spiritual practitioner, no matter the practice, then they are approaching that person in a positive way. Though we may scoff at their "blind faith" , in any case, it is received in a positive view and therefore can and will give them a positive experience. It is not our place to determine what is positive or negative for these villagers. If we dig I am sure that all of us can uncover things that we find relief and positivity in which could point to some level of gullibility. Tolerance does not mean that we tolerate until we have changed minds to our way of thinking…tolerance is tolerating with no agenda or expectations.

        • Suri_k8 says:

          Respecting the person that holds a certain belief is important but beliefs should never be off bounds for criticism …otherwise society as a whole cant evolve.

          • @Suri_k8 says:

            Ha,ha yes! yoga people are really not different …they want to impose their way of living and their ideology on everyone. They even want yoga in schools now …if it is only the excercise part of yoga , its not so bad otherwise how is that different from creationism in the classroom?

          • Harleigh Quinn says:

            Precisely.

  22. Padma Kadag says:

    Hey Harleigh! How have the "Tibetans abandoned us"?

  23. Harleigh Quinn says:

    There's this WONDERFUL book, I believe it is called "the history of yoga" that refutes this view point, as well as pointing out what is practiced in the west really isn't yoga.
    This dilution of yoga has done nothing but attract broken, narcissistic, self absorbed people now turned pious, bulletproof ego'd hedonists that have are now protected by a community that not only does not speak up concerning their abuses toward others, their ever inflating and grandiose egos now couched in "spirituality" so they can do such things as walk into a village feeling like a god, and not have any reason to feel or exhibit true humility, but also defend them in these actions.

    Modern yoga has helped support the problem of them bringing their problems into it with them, and converting yoga to a community of problem people who now feel they are "holier than thou".

    Until people learn to not pervert everything they touch, yoga has no purpose in the west except exercise.

  24. Pankaj Seth says:

    From the Charaka Samhita, one of the source texts of Ayurveda… a cautionary tale.

    "In the Primal Age, men and women were endowed vitality equal to that of the progeny of Goddess Aditi (Unbounded), exceedingly blameless and unhampered in their powers, had direct knowledge of the gods, the godlike sages, the divine law, sacrifice and ritual, possessed bodies that were compact and firm, had clear senses and complexions, speed, strength and prowess like those of the wind. They were devoted to truth, rectitude, compassion, charity, self-restraint, moral discipline, spiritual endeavour, fasting, continence and religious vows. They were free from fear, desire, aversion, infatuation, greed, anger, despondency, pride, disease, sleep, indolence, fatigue, languor, sloth and the spirit of acquisition; and lastly, they were imbued with unlimited longevity. For the benefit of these people of heroic minds, qualities and deeds, the crops were replete with wonderful taste, potency and virtue, for the earth during the dawn of the golden age was charged to the full with all excellent qualities.

    As the First Age wore on, those who were better circumstanced gave in to lassitude. Lassitude gave rise to indolence, indolence created the need for the accumulation of goods, accumulation necessitated acquisition, the spirit of acquisition engendered greed. All this came to pass long ago, in the First Age.Thereafter, the bodies of human beings failing to receive sustenance as before from the progressively deteriorating quality of food and afflicted by the heat and wind, soon succumbed to the attacks of fevers and other diseases. Thus, there was a gradual decline in the span enjoyed by successive generations.

    Thereafter, in the Second Age greed brought malice in its wake; malice led to falsehood; falsehood let loose lust, anger, vanity, hatred, cruelty, aggression, fear, affliction, grief, anxiety, distress and the like. Consequently, in the Second Age, virtue found itself deprived of a quarter of its plenitude. From this quarterly loss in virtue, there followed a similar deterioration in the duration of the succeeding Age and in the beneficent power of the Earth. It is in consequence of this deterioration that there took place a corresponding deterioration in the sap, purity and potency of herbs."

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